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I get rolling that around in my head and

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rolling it around in my he took me

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they took me

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but why would these beings be doing this

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to human beings if it's true let me let

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me give you some possibilities a lot of

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physicists now believe that there is no

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objective reality you can never see

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anything except directly you can only

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you can only interpret your own

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perceptions touch taste feel sight smell

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those are all inside us the suggestion

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in is that they have been here for a

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long time and have affected our world

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you know the truth is

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we don't know a darn thing about what

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this actually is

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Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena

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UFOs and ideas that challenge reality

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itself all these Mysteries all this time

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are we ever going to get to the bottom

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of these my name is George Knapp I dig

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into news stories that others can't or

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won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some

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reason people tell me things they

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probably shouldn't

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foreign

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this is weaponized it's been 36 years

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since the book communion exploded into

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the public Consciousness it spent six

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months atop the best seller list it sold

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millions of copies still sells many

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copies it's inspired so many other uh

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similar books by other artists and

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experiencers it became a a hit movie and

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the guy who wrote it Is Our Guest today

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Whitley Street Whitley great to see you

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it's a pleasure to be here George good

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to see you Italy yeah see you too we

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want to talk about your latest book them

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um but there's a journey because it's

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sort of the new book is kind of a full

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circle for you in returning to the

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communications you had from the public

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after communion came out I mean this

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thing landed like an atomic bomb right

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can you share with us what it was like

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to be riding that wave back in 1987.

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well first I had no idea there would be

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a wave we Bud Hopkins and I figured

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there were about maybe 50 or 100 people

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who had had these experiences

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we did not know the truth that there was

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it was an a massive undercurrent in the

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society

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and I came to it as a a novelist a

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fiction writer and suddenly here I am

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going out and saying something very like

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one of my horror novels

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actually happened to me

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and worse for me personally back in

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Texas where I came from I have a

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reputation for being skilled at fooling

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people and playing pranks so you know

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below I mean it's just the last person

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you would think

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could could do this or should be called

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on to do this in a way but at the same

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time as we'll see over the course of the

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discussion there's been an enormous

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effort on the part of this presence and

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that's mostly what I'm going to call it

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sometimes the visitors not necessarily

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aliens because that I just don't I think

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I don't think we know enough about it to

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to make it so definite so in any case it

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makes an effort

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to enable people to to to make their own

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decisions if they had for example had

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Carl Sagan instead of me or another

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prominent scientist or a religious

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leader or something you could not

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someone you could not doubt

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then people would be forced to believe

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it but with me

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they could they could really take their

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choice

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and I mean my friends in Texas were just

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there wasn't one of them they said you

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know Whitley

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this is just the worst this is your

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worst the most outrageous joke you've

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ever played and I'm saying it's not a

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joke

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and it happened

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and this is still the bottom line

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something happened to me and to it turns

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out millions of other people the image

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on the cover

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connected to people all over the planet

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in a ways that surprised you and

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everyone else they spoke to them because

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there was a a hint of recognition for a

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lot of people who had not confronted

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this before it was a trigger that that

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image is the is the the is the

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initiating moment of contact between us

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and whatever this other presence is that

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was what started it and I had not the

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faintest idea anything like that would

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happen gosh I wish I could say well you

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know uh the visitors and I were blah

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blah and you know I knew just what would

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no not even close I was just sitting

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there with the artist Ted Jacobs trying

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to get an image that reflected the wave

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it felt to look into those eyes and it

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worked and then there was just thousands

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and thou if you go down to Rice

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University now and and you look through

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those letters there's thousands of them

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there in the archives of the impossible

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uh you see letter after letter saying

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that the face made me realize that what

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had happened to me was real

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and it was amazing amazing that trigger

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the face hangs on my wall in my office I

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look at every every day and I think to

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myself

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who are you the original yeah

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yeah that that it's so interesting so

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that the the cards were stacked against

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you in your profession and absolutely

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and so you're kind of like a a perfect

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message imperfect Messengers kind of the

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thing exactly and and I will attest to

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the idea that seeing that image is now

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something that people it's so

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recognizable this idea of like the alien

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gray or whatever you'd call it that

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image of that being on your book I mean

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person

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and now so many people without even

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having seen or read your book have had

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these encounters and back then when you

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say Rice University you're talking about

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how many letters did people write you

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back then that you have now donated to

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Rice University well this is all and my

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wife Anne's doing uh about

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two weeks after communion came out

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remember this is before there were there

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was no email at all it was all physical

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uh the postman rang the doorbell and we

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opened the door and the guy has this big

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bag canvas bag full of letters and he

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says we got a lot of mail for you today

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and uh we can't I can't leave the bag

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but I'm gonna leave I have to leave the

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letters so he pours them out on the

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living room floor

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and we think what the hell is this is

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all about that the book communion then

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the publisher had called and said it's

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going to be a bestseller it's really

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doing well

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well that was the start

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it became every day they would come

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sometimes two or three postmen the

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letters pile was you know three or four

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feet high

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and I said Ann what are we going to do

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we can't leave this as a fire hazard

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among other things I mean we can't have

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our entire living room filled with

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letters

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I don't know what to do we we got to

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figure out some way to throw them out

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but it's the same time we've got to

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preserve these people's confidentiality

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she says throw them out I'm not going to

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throw them out I'm going to read them I

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said read them look at that pile and it

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gets bigger every day she said well you

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might not be able to read them but I can

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and I'm gonna and she got a letter

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opener and she started flipping them

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open

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two days later three days later she says

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you know I'm gonna need a secretary

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and I said okay well we'll call Manpower

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and she says no no I'll find the

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secretary in the letters

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and I thought what an unexpected and

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interesting approach

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and not 10 minutes later she comes in

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and she says look at this letter

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and I look at the letter and it's this

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letter from this lady who says she's a

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singer and a an actress and stuff

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and she's I said well it says here she's

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a singer and she's an actress she said

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answers but she lives down the street

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and that's not you ever heard of her I

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said no

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she said well if she might she's a

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wannabe singer an actress then isn't she

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so therefore that's not how she makes

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her living look at that handwriting

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that's a professional's hand I'm calling

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her because I think she's a secretary

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she was a secretary

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she remained and secretary for the next

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15 years Laurie Burns and together they

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created this catalog and cataloged it

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she read every letter she put the

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letters with a a complex narrative in

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one stack the letters just that we're

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saying this was a wonderful thank you

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for writing or you're an idiot or all

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those in another stack uh and uh the

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stack that she saved is about 35 000

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letters and I think maybe all of them

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and certainly most of them are at Rice

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wow these events that happen to you that

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are detailed in communion they started

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this at the cabin that you had in

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Upstate New York

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you did not know at the time that those

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things were unfolding that you had

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probably had a lifetime of experiences I

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mean maybe it was communicating with Bud

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Hopkins about what it means and how to

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fit it into a category that you

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developed understanding of can you

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explain who's Bud Hopkins for people

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that don't know about this a lot of

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people are watching this kind of thing

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but who's Bud Hopkins that said Hopkins

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was a very talented artist uh that this

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topic was sort of thrust upon him yeah

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yeah he had an experience it was called

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missing time he wrote a book called

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missing time that established a lot of

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what we now understanding about the

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experience with visitors Whitley's

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experiences expanded it exponentially

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but yeah in fact he got pissed off at me

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because uh some he felt like my book had

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overshadowed his and it shouldn't have

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been published at the same time I had

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and he thought I had engineered that in

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fact I hadn't I didn't I I had no

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control over it whatsoever and

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unfortunately something was going on

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with the publisher they were they were

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getting pushback from somewhere and they

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decided to put the book out

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just to send books to the bookstores

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without any any build up or explanation

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and so all these books arrived all over

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the country uh unexpectedly in the

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bookstores but but thought I had done it

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and I had done it to uh to preempt his

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book Intruders and he was Furious and it

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ruined our relationship and it was

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tragic because he was such a wonderful

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man and such a good man and so effective

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at doing something that nobody else ever

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did before ever thought was possible but

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his dignity and his decency and his

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kindness and his dedication

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um helped me and many other people I

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think I might have committed suicide if

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it hadn't been for about us I think he

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saved my life if you're having these

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experiences and then you interact with

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him and he sort of gives you some

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framework for understanding it

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yeah well when I first met him I thought

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he was a complete idiot because I mean

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how I I you know I was not in this space

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at all

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uh I was

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I I had been interested in flying

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saucers when I was a little boy because

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it was the 50s and they were all over

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the news all the time and any little boy

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is going to be interested plus one of

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our neighbors was witness to a big

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incident called the level in Texas UFO

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incident and he was one of the people

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whose car was stopped on the roadside by

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the thing and she saw it and everything

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so it was a big you know we were

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interested all right

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I did not I apparently had a lot of I

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wrote a whole book about possible

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interactions and encounters as a child

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called this secret school but by the

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time

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my 40s rolled around I had completely

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forgotten any trace of that I hadn't

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thought about flying sausage since I was

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about 15. and uh before that maybe and

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all of a sudden I'm thinking about

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flying sauces again because I was

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apparently ended up in one which but at

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first no I mean

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uh that idea didn't actually cross my

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mind until I described my memories to my

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doctor

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and he said Whitley it sounds like

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you're take you're telling me you were

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taking the board of flying saucer by

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little men

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and I thought oh my God I'm going crazy

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and this

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big thing I mean I I felt like it was so

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real that if it happened again what if

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it happens again I'm not getting out of

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that that's that's an absolutely

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impenetrable psychosis is what I feared

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and I started I got what I didn't know

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was I was experiencing a lot of

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traumatic stress

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and I tried to get in to divorce me I we

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fought I tried to push her away I didn't

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want to tell her that I thought I had

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gone insane I I was it was just a

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disastrous time but my whole life

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imploded in in the months after December

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of 1985 in January and into February

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and then I happened to read a book

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called science and the UFOs had been

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given to me by my brother for Christmas

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by Jenny Randalls

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and uh

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you know my brother was into that sort

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of thing and I always thought it was

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absolutely ridiculous and you know we we

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always we don't try but we we do try to

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give each other a good presence we

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always get to give each other horrible

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presence

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um I once gave me he's fascinated by

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gorillas I once gave him a gorilla suit

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not knowing it was made of cat hair and

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all the cat hair got sucked up into his

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cardio conditioner well he tried to go

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over to a friend's house wearing it

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that's the sort of thing we do so I had

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this book science and the ufosm Richard

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I open it I see this I you know another

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bad gift but I read it because I did I

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mean the doctor had said UFOs and in the

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back of the book Bud is mentioned

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so I called him went to see him

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and uh finally ended up with

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a realization that there was no other

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explanation that fit

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all the medical explanations

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everything had not panned out the only

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explanation that had panned out was

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that was hardly sit down because I'd

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been raped and the doctor had diagnosed

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that and I had this hole in the side of

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my head that was

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beginning to heal by then but it had

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been a very nasty little wound

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and I thought to myself physical

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injuries

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memory is real I'm gonna go see this guy

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and I then I said to a dear friend of

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mine Timothy Greenfield Saunders who

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takes all the pictures the wonderful

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brilliant photographer and he takes all

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my pictures thank God anyway

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Timothy's I said told whole story to

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Timothy and he says I said I don't know

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how to tell in

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and I said he says well just tell her

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she'll roll with it Ansley knows you

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she's used to you

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she'll roll with it so I sit down with

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her and she's starting to tear up

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because she thinks as she said later I

389
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thought we were going to say we need to

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separate

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and instead I tell her this story about

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being taken a more Flying Saucer by

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little men

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and she looks at me

395
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and she says

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oh thank God I thought you were going

397
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crazy

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she also she remembered it differently

399
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she said she remembers this thing oh

400
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thank God I I now I don't have to get a

401
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divorce

402
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um but I was afraid that you know I had

403
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been one kind of pushing to take splits

404
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apart because the reason was

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if she had me as a husband and I was

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in in the mental institution she

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couldn't remarry she couldn't get

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insurance and she had no means of

409
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support and a little boy to raise that

410
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was why I was trying to get rid of her

411
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did I read that you were drinking in

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those days sort of as a as a coping

413
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mechanism to be able to go to sleep or I

414
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drank I started not not to the point of

415
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getting drunk I had been there and done

416
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that in college

417
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uh I I will admit frankly that my

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college Years

419
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were wonderful fun and I cannot ever

420
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say to any kid who raises hell in

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college that oh my you shouldn't do that

422
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because I did it all where did you go to

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college uh well I started out at St

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John's College in Maryland which was a

425
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very serious great books College

426
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and it was a wonderful place

427
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however

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I wanted not just a good school but I

429
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wanted fun and I thought well there's a

430
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party school 70 miles from my hometown

431
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University of Texas all my friends are

432
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there they're having a great time and

433
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getting good educations as well I'm

434
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going there and I moved and so I went to

435
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UT and I had a great time I got a good

436
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education and had a lot of fun

437
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um anyway

438
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uh

439
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after the events I began to drink I

440
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began to like uh to medicate myself with

441
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alcohol because I was so to be honest

442
00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:00,780
with you I was so goddamn scared

443
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I was scared

444
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you can't

445
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until you've been with

446
00:18:15,890 --> 00:18:14,580
in situation like that what it is to be

447
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really scared

448
00:18:20,510 --> 00:18:17,940
because these

449
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,520
entities were alive

450
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moving around

451
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fast some of them very fast

452
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and uh

453
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you moved

454
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like this

455
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instant

456
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they

457
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device that was used actually in uh

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animal husbandry still is used in animal

459
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husbandry but in uh those days before

460
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Viagra or anything it was used for men

461
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who were having trouble getting getting

462
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it up and it creates an electrical

463
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current that stimulates the nerve that

464
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causes an erection and you can hear me

465
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on the hypnosis tape saying yeah I have

466
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an erection where did that come from

467
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because let's face it there wasn't

468
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anybody in that room who would have

469
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inspired the connection than me or

470
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anyone so I'm sorry that's a great one

471
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right there man it's the truth I mean it

472
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was not a it was not an erection

473
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oriented situation in any way at all and

474
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there it was

475
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and then they took semen out of me

476
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they took my semen

477
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and I kept rolling that around in my

478
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head and rolling it around in my head

479
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he took me

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they took me

481
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what'd they do with me yeah it's one

482
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thing to read that book and it's scary

483
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as hell

484
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it's another thing to think that it

485
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really was happening to you these things

486
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are around they're playing mind games

487
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with you they're coming in they're

488
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taking you out taking you somewhere else

489
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against your will and it all turns out

490
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to be real people like to say we're

491
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ready for the truth well yeah maybe and

492
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maybe not you know because that's not

493
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scary I think we're right on the edge of

494
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the truth coming out I think we're very

495
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close

496
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and it is going to be hard

497
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because if you just the little bit I've

498
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seen so far people are already going

499
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crazy they're bringing their religions

500
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in and their their beliefs and there are

501
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people uh with these absolute

502
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certainties you know it's the such and

503
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such group and this and that

504
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you know the truth is

505
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we don't know a darn thing about what

506
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this actually is yet

507
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and in our excuse me in our context it

508
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might be very hard

509
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for us to focus this in a way that makes

510
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sense to the human mind

511
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uh I think we can focus it to a degree

512
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because a lot of us have I mean I have

513
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the experiencer group has and you know

514
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people have different ways of dealing

515
00:21:08,590 --> 00:21:06,059
with it but what it is in a absolutely

516
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objective and sort of fundamentally

517
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factual way

518
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that might be real hard to get to

519
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I'm I'm curious like you know gonna be

520
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honest

521
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knowing you is different you know kind

522
00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:23,820
of hearing about this

523
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,720
a lot of people explain odd bizarre

524
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,340
things that occur to them

525
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:31,919
you have to have the majority of people

526
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saying Whitley you're making this up

527
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:36,240
this didn't happen you're another list

528
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you're a novelist you got other traumas

529
00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:41,159
you're feeling in the voids you're just

530
00:21:45,710 --> 00:21:43,620
trying to make more movies this is what

531
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people throughout probably your whole

532
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:48,900
time talking about this so so my

533
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question is I I have no idea you you're

534
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,640
telling us something how do you deal

535
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,679
with that though if what you're saying

536
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,080
happened to you how do you deal with the

537
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,960
perception of the world you know some

538
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:02,159
people embrace it because they've had

539
00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:03,960
similar experiences and they're like oh

540
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:06,299
thank God he's telling what happened how

541
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:08,280
do you deal with people that think this

542
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:11,159
is total horseshit well there's

543
00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:13,080
basically there's three groups of people

544
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:14,760
around one is the people who've had the

545
00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:18,480
experience two is the very vast vast

546
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:20,039
majority of people who've never heard of

547
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:20,820
it

548
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,919
and then there's another small group of

549
00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:28,320
people who want to say it's

550
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and you're a liar

551
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and I've been dealing with them all my

552
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life and I don't I'm not going to say

553
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:34,860
that

554
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:40,799
wrong Etc because they may not be wrong

555
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:44,820
hey I don't have a baseline in fact

556
00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:49,320
in this only two three things the the

557
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:51,720
the physical things what happened to me

558
00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:54,120
here on the side of my head

559
00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:56,700
what happened to me below when I was

560
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:57,659
raped

561
00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:00,960
and it left scars it could be diagnosed

562
00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:03,720
and the implant in my ear which came in

563
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:05,400
in 1989

564
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,580
those three things are physical and the

565
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:10,320
three of them together in my mind

566
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,559
indicate something is not right that

567
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,720
there is something there is somewhere a

568
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,480
baseline there is a physical reality

569
00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:21,120
here but I don't know what it is now as

570
00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:23,940
far as dealing with these people I can't

571
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:26,460
I would never say to someone

572
00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:30,000
who says this is you you are making a

573
00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:31,500
mistake I would never say they were

574
00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:33,659
wrong because I can't prove it yeah so

575
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:36,900
you know you don't blame uh or feel kind

576
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:39,299
of anything to the people that that in

577
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:40,380
their position they're like this is

578
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,260
horseshit you you let them

579
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,900
uh you're saying I can't prove this

580
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:48,840
stuff and so you don't blame them for

581
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,460
having that kind of resistance or

582
00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:52,380
attitude yeah I don't see why I should

583
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:55,260
right uh but I do get pissed off when

584
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:57,059
they bully me and I've been bullied a

585
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:01,020
lot and I don't like that uh I I I think

586
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,520
it's wrong do you throw punches

587
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,760
sometimes I can throw a punch at me but

588
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:07,760
I have never done that

589
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:10,380
I have to admit uh it gets annoying

590
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:13,020
right when you yeah well if you've been

591
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:14,820
raped and there's people making it into

592
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:18,299
a joke that's about as nasty as a human

593
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:21,720
being gets and and I've endured that for

594
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:24,299
30 years South Park South Park exactly

595
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:26,100
what's that tell me about that well

596
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,020
South Park's South Parks uh

597
00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:34,080
Premiere episode is about me yeah it's

598
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:36,360
and they you know it is literally about

599
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,419
the rectal probe and it's a and you know

600
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,240
the first mention of my rape and

601
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:44,159
communion

602
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:46,260
is the use of the word rape

603
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:49,799
and then I under hypnosis I call it a

604
00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:51,659
rectal probe and They seized on that on

605
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,360
purpose and they did it to make me into

606
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:56,760
a laughing stock and they did that

607
00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:58,620
because they thought the whole thing was

608
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:00,860
and I deserved to be laughed at

609
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,380
that's why they did it not knowing that

610
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:06,360
they were basically bullying the hell

611
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:09,780
out of a rape victim and I think now

612
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,400
more and more people are realizing that

613
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:13,500
yeah these things do happen to people

614
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,059
because we're talking about me right now

615
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:17,340
but what about the women who lost

616
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,559
fetuses and eggs there's plenty of those

617
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:22,080
out there and the other men who had

618
00:25:27,169 --> 00:25:24,539
semen taken from them that happened to

619
00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,179
them too why do you think okay so let's

620
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,880
just make the Assumption here that this

621
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,919
is happening physically tangibly let's

622
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:33,120
just go I'm going to start from right

623
00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:35,880
there why do you think that's being done

624
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,740
in your opinion what what would be the

625
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:39,360
purpose of that I might get into that in

626
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,120
some depth in them and also I believe in

627
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:43,919
the previous book yeah but I got you

628
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,539
right here right now I want to hear you

629
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:48,240
don't worry I'm I'm trying to frame it

630
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:51,059
here sure sure uh no I'm not going to

631
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,620
just say it's in the book believe me

632
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:53,760
that's something

633
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:55,860
thank you anyway

634
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:57,779
uh

635
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:01,260
I think that that the

636
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:04,020
that the

637
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,400
um

638
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:07,919
that they have to you know you have to

639
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:14,269
go where they want to go they you know

640
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,779
where they need to go but why would

641
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:17,400
these beings be doing this to human

642
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,320
beings it's true doing it to us

643
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,279
uh

644
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,080
let me let me give you some

645
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:27,299
possibilities one

646
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:29,580
they are making a set of seed bank of

647
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:30,840
mankind

648
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:34,080
uh that would follow from the fact that

649
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:36,360
they've warned every abductee they've

650
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,100
gotten a hold of practically that the

651
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:40,380
planet is in Peril and if you know if

652
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,539
you live in New York or Toronto right

653
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:44,159
now you would definitely agree with that

654
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:47,220
it was as we we speak the smoke from the

655
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:49,320
hundreds of Canadian fires is just

656
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,159
terrible uh the um

657
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:55,500
so maybe they're expecting us to go

658
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:57,059
extinct and they're making a seed bank

659
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,860
not only of us but I would presume of

660
00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:00,900
other other creatures on this planet

661
00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:03,900
that's one possibility two the second

662
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:05,640
possibility is that they're breeding

663
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,279
human beings in their own context in

664
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,400
hopes of finding some

665
00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:13,679
a bridge between the two

666
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:16,279
worlds hybrid

667
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,940
well hybrid is another story because uh

668
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:22,799
I'm talking about just breeding human

669
00:27:28,269 --> 00:27:25,559
beings right but if they are also

670
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:28,279
injecting genetic material of another

671
00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:30,779
species or something that's Way Beyond

672
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,620
what we can do but not that far and I do

673
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,419
have some evidence in my own life that

674
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:37,919
that might have happened I might have

675
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:41,520
actually been witness to that so uh that

676
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:44,400
could be part of it too but you know if

677
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:46,919
if we turn it around and we look at our

678
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,320
world it's the kind of thing we do to

679
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,559
animals all the time routinely and so

680
00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,900
maybe they looked at our world and that

681
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:56,400
said to themselves why they do it to

682
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,779
animals so

683
00:28:02,390 --> 00:27:59,640
they're an animal so we'll do it to them

684
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:02,400
you know maybe they won't care what's

685
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,900
the difference just because I I don't

686
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:06,080
really know and I've heard there's

687
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:09,539
contactees abductees and experiencers

688
00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:11,400
what's the difference between those

689
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:13,799
three so people know well I don't think

690
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:15,000
there's too much difference between

691
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:16,980
experiencers and

692
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:20,039
uh abductees a lot of experiences are

693
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,020
abductees I would consider myself to be

694
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:23,600
both

695
00:28:28,210 --> 00:28:26,340
and an experiencer is someone who has

696
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:28,220
ongoing experiences with the visitors

697
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:31,620
which I do and an abductee is someone

698
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:34,140
who basically started out generally

699
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,840
within being abducted which I did in

700
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:39,120
quite a few people in like in the

701
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:40,679
experiences group I think had the same

702
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,220
experience that as well a contact T is

703
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,520
not necessarily someone who has had a

704
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:49,200
physical encounter

705
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,620
and a lot of them tend to be people in

706
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:54,779
the spiritual community and you know

707
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:56,520
they have a they have a much more

708
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,220
positive attitude toward the whole thing

709
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:01,860
than those of us who've been dragged by

710
00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:06,299
out into the night and raped uh

711
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:09,059
you know they're that that movement

712
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,179
started back in the early 50s with

713
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,640
Georgia damsky and uh all those other

714
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,080
fellows

715
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:18,659
going out and basically making money off

716
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,419
of what I assume were pretty much tall

717
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:24,840
stories I think that my wife used to say

718
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:27,179
that these are people who had something

719
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,120
happen maybe they saw a UFO maybe they

720
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,679
had a brief close encounter or something

721
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,080
or maybe a bigger close encounter

722
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,760
and they can't

723
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:37,919
connect the dots they can't figure it

724
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:39,720
out and so they connect the dots

725
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:41,640
themselves and they basically build a

726
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,520
fantasy I think that's the source of a

727
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:46,200
lot of folklore and in this field there

728
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,820
is a lot of folklore

729
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:49,679
by folklore I mean

730
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:52,140
not necessarily things people are simply

731
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,120
making up it not all folklore is

732
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:56,220
completely fictional a lot of folklore

733
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:58,980
comes when people have a a perception

734
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:01,860
that they can't understand and they fit

735
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:04,860
it into the context of whatever their

736
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:07,799
culture has it at the time like Jacques

737
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:10,380
valet's book passport to Magonia takes

738
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:14,399
that back a thousand years or more and

739
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,700
you can look at as as time passes each

740
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,919
generation

741
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,039
it is looking at

742
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:25,919
uh this experience which is essentially

743
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:28,440
the same experience in the context of

744
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:30,419
its own belief systems and understanding

745
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:32,700
of the work today space aliens were

746
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,100
elves and pixies and fairies a thousand

747
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:37,980
years ago yeah or not a thousands 200

748
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:40,620
years ago um you know I don't know that

749
00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:42,779
there's anybody in the world who's has

750
00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:45,299
the um the level of understanding with

751
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,980
these beings whoever they are as you

752
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,360
because you know there are other people

753
00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:50,460
who've had a lifetime of experiences but

754
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,580
not many who've thought about it dove

755
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,100
into it and analyze it as much as you

756
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:59,460
the the story is told in communion you

757
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:01,080
know the context of that that the public

758
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:03,240
got out of it is these are space aliens

759
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:04,919
here abducting us they come from other

760
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,080
planets and interact in that book you

761
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:08,640
are careful to call them visitors you

762
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:11,580
didn't call them aliens or ETS and in

763
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:14,340
them your latest book you sort of come

764
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,200
full circle go back to the letters that

765
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:18,120
were written about communion to try to

766
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,539
understand who they are why they're here

767
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:23,039
um give us your current understanding

768
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,480
think of who they are and where they're

769
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:27,059
from are they visitors or are we the

770
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:28,980
newcomers

771
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,659
well it could be part of both uh the the

772
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,200
the suggestion in is that they have been

773
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:40,080
here for a long time and have affected

774
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:41,220
our world

775
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,580
at times they've kind of touched it

776
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,760
and like an example would be ezekiel's

777
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,919
wheel uh where

778
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:51,960
he has a

779
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,679
an experience that he describes in the

780
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,360
time in which he makes his descriptions

781
00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:59,399
you couldn't just you couldn't make a

782
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:01,380
thing like that up because what he was

783
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:04,679
seeing was completely unknown to his

784
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:07,320
culture he could not have known anything

785
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,240
like that ever because it was

786
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,640
technological in nature yeah exactly

787
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:13,860
he's talking about a technological

788
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,159
device that we can Now understand so we

789
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:19,620
assume we have to assume that he that he

790
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:22,620
was something was inject being injected

791
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,380
into the middle eastern cultures at the

792
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:28,559
time by somebody and Ezekiel had an a

793
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:30,299
direct encounter with it which he

794
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:31,380
recorded

795
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,740
uh in in in the in in his own cultural

796
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:36,720
cultures way

797
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,120
uh like UFOs are described as uh shields

798
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:44,880
on Fire in the Sky by the Romans so

799
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,620
that's a way to describe something that

800
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:48,360
is not within your context is what

801
00:32:52,669 --> 00:32:49,559
you're saying well there's a wonderful

802
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,679
description of the uh of an out of

803
00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:53,880
context

804
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:57,480
situation in is in in Jock's book in

805
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:01,140
passport to Magonia in I believe the in

806
00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:04,380
14th century Japan there were a lot of

807
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,659
there were basically there was a UFO

808
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:09,360
wave going on a UFO flap as they now

809
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,059
call them and people are seeing these

810
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,399
things and the emperor became very

811
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,799
irritated and in those days you know

812
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,960
Emperor irritated Emperor heads are

813
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,120
liable to roll at any moment and he

814
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:23,399
demanded of his astronomers

815
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:25,559
to tell him what the hell these things

816
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:26,580
were

817
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:28,260
and they came up with the most

818
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:29,940
beautifully poetic

819
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:32,220
answer it is the first piece of

820
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,640
debunking known to man they see

821
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:38,100
explained it as the wind making the

822
00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:43,220
Stars way wow and they kept their heads

823
00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:48,059
so uh but they're they're part of us and

824
00:33:56,409 --> 00:33:50,120
part of our world and this is something

825
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:56,419
unfortunately I think that the the whole

826
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,840
the whole way the culture has been this

827
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:02,100
our our vision of this has been

828
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:06,360
distorted by secrecy and by assumptions

829
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:10,260
being made in in in in the media that

830
00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:13,020
it's aliens from another planet

831
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:19,020
if this does flow out into the into a

832
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:21,540
common knowledge in some way of the if

833
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:24,659
they they is there's some kind of higher

834
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:27,060
level official admission of the the

835
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:30,659
presence of craft and and bodies and for

836
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:33,000
example which I think could could be on

837
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:36,599
the way uh then the public will conclude

838
00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:37,980
that these are aliens from another

839
00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:41,099
planet and we're going to get into Crazy

840
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:43,320
Hour very quickly I think it's

841
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:44,879
unfortunate but I think it's exactly

842
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:48,060
what will happen and those of us who are

843
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:51,179
you guys are communicators experts in

844
00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:53,099
this field people like me and the other

845
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:54,659
experiences are going to have to make

846
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,380
ourselves heard to say hey yeah you've

847
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:00,960
got a bodies you've got craft but boy do

848
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:03,180
you need to keep this in question I'll

849
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:06,180
give you one oh go ahead why like so if

850
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,040
what do you mean we'll go into crazy

851
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,680
like so if we have craft and we have

852
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:12,420
bodies and the craft appear to be able

853
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,339
to travel amongst the stars and if that

854
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:16,320
is what's ended up revealed just

855
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,260
hypothetically what is your warning here

856
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,079
what is a warning is this what if they

857
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:23,760
don't travel Among the Stars what if

858
00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:25,260
there's something else about these

859
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:27,180
things that we don't yet understand

860
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:30,960
I'll give you an example of what I mean

861
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:34,020
one of the things that has been out

862
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,140
there is that some of the materials that

863
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:39,599
were gathered that that have been

864
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,140
gathered have been found I believe if

865
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:44,640
I'm not correct it might be Jacques

866
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,680
valet and Gary Nolan who did this yeah

867
00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:49,440
the isotopic ratio isotopic ratios yeah

868
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:50,940
okay

869
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,940
now the materials don't I mean I've had

870
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:56,040
these things in my hands and they don't

871
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:57,420
they're not the ones they had but some

872
00:36:02,890 --> 00:36:00,359
others uh they're not

873
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:02,900
uh

874
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,000
they're not in any way you wouldn't know

875
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:08,579
there was any unusual isotopic ratios

876
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,960
and in fact the metal can be it could be

877
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:15,119
theoretically fabricated and used

878
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:18,300
because the different isotopic ratios

879
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:26,930
those isotopic ratios can't form

880
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,160
naturally anywhere in this universe not

881
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,560
just on Earth but anywhere

882
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:33,420
so they were they were made they were

883
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,180
fabricated in a universe which has a

884
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:38,940
different set of Isotopes or you could

885
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,339
construct very easily if you have the

886
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:43,980
technology different isotopic ratios not

887
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,980
easily no not not easily for us well it

888
00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:48,780
takes a tremendous amount of energy to

889
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:50,099
do it unless

890
00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:52,980
unless you can unless there's some other

891
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,079
way that we don't know about we don't

892
00:36:59,410 --> 00:36:57,480
have the no one is doing this in the lab

893
00:37:03,770 --> 00:36:59,420
to fool people let me put it that way

894
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:03,780
but why do it unless there is some

895
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,880
process that requires that we don't yet

896
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:07,380
understand

897
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,700
but there has recently been an article a

898
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:12,960
rather

899
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:16,560
a paper and I can't cite it from memory

900
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,500
about a mirror universe that might exist

901
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:21,960
really essentially right here

902
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,440
and I've had some experiences with

903
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,119
something that might suggest that as

904
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:29,400
well as I detailed in

905
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,060
a new world where I was seeing into what

906
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:35,700
appeared to be another universe that on

907
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:38,339
the Lakota Sioux reservation in South

908
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,920
Dakota in I believe in the summer of

909
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:42,480
2018

910
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,000
and it was a quite a credible experience

911
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:47,640
and uh

912
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:51,119
if there is a mirror universe and they

913
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:54,420
can cross over they might be bringing

914
00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:57,240
devices that are that are manufactured

915
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,160
in their universe that has different

916
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:02,220
isotopes you wrote in in you know in

917
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:03,599
communion

918
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:05,940
um when you wrote it the Multiverse

919
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:07,619
scientists might have thought about it

920
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:09,900
parallel realities people had thought

921
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:11,700
about it but the public it wasn't widely

922
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,000
known after your book came out those

923
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:17,160
concepts are more widely known among

924
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:19,260
even those of us who are not scientists

925
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,300
the idea that there are parallel

926
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:23,880
realities alternate universes is not

927
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:25,800
that far-fetched anymore

928
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:27,540
you know Jacques valet had said the

929
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:28,920
first interview I ever did with him he

930
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:30,300
said look I'm going to be really

931
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:31,859
disappointed if it turns out the answer

932
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:34,200
the mystery is these are people coming

933
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:36,180
here from other planets because if they

934
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:38,040
can control space-time they can be from

935
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:40,260
other planets other dimensions other

936
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:41,579
realities

937
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:44,099
um you know time travelers all the above

938
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:45,960
well the time traveler thing is a very

939
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:47,880
interesting possibility too

940
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,180
because I we do know that time moves in

941
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,000
both directions and there's no bar real

942
00:38:59,230 --> 00:38:56,160
bar to moving through time

943
00:39:02,829 --> 00:38:59,240
there might be however

944
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:02,839
the the grandfather Paradox might mean

945
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,960
that you have very little ability to

946
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:09,359
alter your own past

947
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:11,880
unless

948
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:13,320
you

949
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:22,800
in some form that never existed at all

950
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:27,119
and if that's the case then these little

951
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:30,960
beings with the big heads are a disguise

952
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:33,780
of people from the future who are trying

953
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:37,020
to change our past their own past trying

954
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:39,960
to alter their past for some reason that

955
00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:44,160
we don't know and they are using this to

956
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:47,640
give themselves more more latitude of

957
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:52,140
more of an ability to act in our reality

958
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:54,420
in the past in their own past do we know

959
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:56,040
what they really look like I mean you've

960
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,900
encountered them up close and personal

961
00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:59,640
some of them looking different from the

962
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:01,619
other ones yeah we also know about it

963
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:04,200
they appear to us as owls in our head or

964
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:05,880
other kinds of creatures we're very good

965
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:09,540
at that one thing that I found that that

966
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:13,500
the brain will if it if it gets if you

967
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,060
one of the things that we do when we're

968
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:16,800
born is we start to put the world

969
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,320
together in our brains the brain always

970
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,560
does it pretty much the same way and at

971
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:25,380
first the baby is com completely he

972
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,940
doesn't have any

973
00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:28,880
any uh

974
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,339
any way to put anything together but

975
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:34,320
that changes rather quickly because this

976
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:37,020
brain is in an environment and it is

977
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:39,240
trying begins to try to make sense of

978
00:40:43,870 --> 00:40:40,500
that environment

979
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:43,880
and sooner or later

980
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:49,320
uh a whole the the world's it generates

981
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:52,320
meaning for the the baby and by the time

982
00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:56,160
he's four or five he or she can see a

983
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:58,320
tree and identify all this whole world

984
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:00,300
and that grows and grows over the

985
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:05,400
lifespan uh but if something enters that

986
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:08,220
after the baby is already established

987
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:10,859
it's reality something penetrates into

988
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:14,099
that reality that's that the mind can't

989
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:17,099
find anywhere in its memory

990
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,099
then that gets very dicey as to what

991
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,339
it's going to see uh when when you

992
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:26,160
something is coming into your eyes when

993
00:41:29,890 --> 00:41:28,200
you're looking at something or any

994
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:29,900
perception

995
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:33,960
most of your brain activity involves the

996
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:37,500
catalog it is looking for memories to

997
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:39,960
make sense of what it's seeing this is

998
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,300
constant and instantaneous it's going on

999
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:44,760
in all of our brains right now

1000
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:48,180
and but if something came into this it

1001
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,800
shouldn't be here

1002
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,200
we might see it in very different ways

1003
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,960
we might not see it at all

1004
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:57,839
a lot of physicists now believe that

1005
00:42:03,170 --> 00:41:59,820
there is no objective reality you know

1006
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:03,180
we what we see is reality is the result

1007
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:05,099
of evolution that our senses have

1008
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:07,020
developed over eons

1009
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:08,940
so that we can navigate through this

1010
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:11,640
this reality but that reality itself is

1011
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:14,940
based on the Observer that um well you

1012
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,339
can never you can never see anything

1013
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,160
except directly you can only you can

1014
00:42:25,329 --> 00:42:21,839
only interpret your own perceptions

1015
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:25,339
touch taste feel sight smell

1016
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,619
those are all inside us so uh the uh the

1017
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,839
people who argue that the universe is a

1018
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:36,000
is essentially a mental

1019
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:38,760
thing have to be partly right at least

1020
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:41,339
partly right because we can never

1021
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,000
experience anything directly it's all

1022
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:46,800
indirect through the perception through

1023
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:49,140
the body through the senses you you you

1024
00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:51,900
interpret what your senses tell you is

1025
00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:55,260
there you don't see it directly

1026
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:57,619
and that would be why the

1027
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:00,540
visitors are very skilled I think at at

1028
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,180
handling it manipulating that and they

1029
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:06,780
can uh one of the editors at William

1030
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:08,520
Morrow and Company encountered two of

1031
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:09,720
them in

1032
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,500
in a bookstore in Manhattan and uh

1033
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:15,720
they were you know they were dressed in

1034
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:17,400
overcoats and hats but they had those

1035
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:20,040
great big black eyes and scared the hell

1036
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:21,300
out of them they were reading the book

1037
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:23,099
flipping through the book and laughing

1038
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,839
of course that's a story you tell in

1039
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,599
them new book so you know you went back

1040
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,980
to the beginning you looked at the

1041
00:43:32,329 --> 00:43:30,240
letters that had been written about

1042
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:32,339
communion you went to Rice looked

1043
00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:34,680
through these and try to sort of look at

1044
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:37,619
the whole story Through The Eyes of of

1045
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,060
people who'd read your book and had

1046
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,520
experiences and I think there's a quote

1047
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:43,380
from you in the book where you say

1048
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:45,540
there was widespread criticism of

1049
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,359
communion at every level of society but

1050
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:50,160
there was only one group of critics that

1051
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,260
really

1052
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:53,520
scared me the visitors themselves

1053
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,619
meaning you write about the visitors

1054
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:57,359
were in the book reading I mean in the

1055
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,339
bookstore reading communion right well

1056
00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:01,200
my editor calls me up and he says

1057
00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:03,380
Whitley I have good news and bad news

1058
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:05,940
I said uh

1059
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:08,520
well uh

1060
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:10,260
what's the bad news of course you always

1061
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,880
ask the bad news first you want to get

1062
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,619
it up and the bad news was rather

1063
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:15,660
surprising he said well the visitors

1064
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:18,839
think your book is Joe a joke I said Jim

1065
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:21,000
what are you talking about he said well

1066
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:22,680
that's the good news we all believe you

1067
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:23,460
now

1068
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:27,060
says what are you talking about man he

1069
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,099
says well Bruce Lee not thee Bruce Lee

1070
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:31,680
but the other Bruce Lee he was uh uh

1071
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:34,560
history an editor of the in a military

1072
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:36,599
history at William Morrow

1073
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:39,180
uh walked into a bookstore the other day

1074
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:40,619
this is right when the book was just

1075
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,900
coming out it was like the first week

1076
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,839
and he uh

1077
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:48,480
two of those people your people he said

1078
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,140
they always call him my people

1079
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,480
anyway your people were in there so what

1080
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:56,940
peoples the little people with the great

1081
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:00,300
big eyes were reading your book I saw I

1082
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,540
thought holy guacamole now what I said

1083
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,520
okay tell me more

1084
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:08,400
and he says well they were reading your

1085
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:09,720
book they were paging through it very

1086
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:11,700
quickly and they were laughing and

1087
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,140
saying that it didn't happen this didn't

1088
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:14,640
happen and that didn't happen I said

1089
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:15,960
what

1090
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:18,540
you're kidding he says no I'm not

1091
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:21,839
kidding Bruce is not a liar he's telling

1092
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:23,099
it straight

1093
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:24,780
and I thought to myself this is a

1094
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:27,000
practical joke I've never I've never

1095
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,619
played any practical jokes on the people

1096
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,240
at William Morrow and Company though so

1097
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:32,880
I I had the hope that it was just a

1098
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:34,740
mistake so I talked to Bruce Lee and he

1099
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:36,780
describes these people the little beings

1100
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,240
perfectly they were about five feet tall

1101
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:42,240
and they were in hats and coats and they

1102
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,740
definitely had the big eyes and

1103
00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:45,359
basically when they stopped and looked

1104
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,619
at him they scared the hell out of him

1105
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:49,920
and he left the store uh

1106
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:54,119
and so I thought oh hell now

1107
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:55,859
I know

1108
00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:01,970
that the visitors think my book's

1109
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,069
what am I going to do about that and so

1110
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:07,680
I say to Bruce did they say anything at

1111
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,640
all about like which parts were no he

1112
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:13,440
said I just they just were laughing and

1113
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:15,660
saying this wasn't true and that wasn't

1114
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:17,160
true they're paging through it too fast

1115
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:18,839
for me to keep up with it

1116
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:20,760
I said well what did you do he says I

1117
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,700
left mine got my wife and we left

1118
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,920
so I thought to myself this has to be a

1119
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,359
practical joke

1120
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,700
it has to be it can't be real it sounds

1121
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,980
like a comedy man it does sound like

1122
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:34,260
exactly comedy little did I know that it

1123
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:36,420
was a practical joke but now that I know

1124
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:38,760
the visitors a little better I am aware

1125
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,640
of the fact that they play

1126
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,160
jokes they're very jokey

1127
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,980
and and often in a fairly ominous and

1128
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:48,960
unfunny way but at times it can be

1129
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,460
fairly funny and this was fairly funny

1130
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,380
in any case

1131
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:54,960
um so they got a sense of humor so they

1132
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:58,619
have a sense of humor okay right yeah in

1133
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:02,040
any case I gotta this uh

1134
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,200
uh lie detector guy uh who did lie

1135
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:08,640
detector work for the police department

1136
00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:12,060
and he he had he had been forced to pass

1137
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:15,060
me on a lie detector test and he really

1138
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:18,599
wanted to get I said so I called him and

1139
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,099
I said to him

1140
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:22,260
there's this guy Bruce Lee this from the

1141
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:25,500
publisher he's got to be lying this has

1142
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,060
got to be a joke

1143
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,220
I want you to do a test on him and he

1144
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:31,380
says sure I'll be glad to you

1145
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,280
so Bruce goes down he he passes the test

1146
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:37,920
he says you know Whitley that guy is a

1147
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,500
sadist I mean he really beat me up first

1148
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:42,480
it took it took over an hour and second

1149
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:45,000
he's yelling at me and going on and I

1150
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,339
thought he's Trump's trying to break him

1151
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,160
he was trying to get him to force him to

1152
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:54,000
to to to to to break him and

1153
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,099
um Bruce was telling the truth

1154
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,560
so you even though you've had all of

1155
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:00,540
these extraordinary experiences that you

1156
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:02,819
relay in your books you even thought

1157
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:05,579
that this guy Bruce Lee not the Bruce

1158
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:08,280
Lee was lying about this you sent a

1159
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:10,920
polygraph guy to go test him I got it I

1160
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,160
got him to go down and get a polygraphy

1161
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:16,079
because I was just not gonna and he was

1162
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,319
willing to do it too that's um and said

1163
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:22,380
Bruce is willing to to do that she said

1164
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,260
then it happened and I said I guess it

1165
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:27,119
did happen and uh

1166
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:29,940
the polygraph guy agreed it you know

1167
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:31,740
Bruce was not lying you know after

1168
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:34,020
communion came out there was constant

1169
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,660
Stories being I guess flowing out from

1170
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,160
the intelligence Community you're good

1171
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,200
at dropping stories where they want them

1172
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:42,420
dropped that you know lie detectors

1173
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:43,800
don't work and that's why they're not

1174
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:46,380
used in court Etc and so forth

1175
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,119
what they didn't say of course is that

1176
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:50,579
most most people in sensitive positions

1177
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:52,560
take lie detector tests every few months

1178
00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:55,740
and they do that because they do work in

1179
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:57,540
in the hands of a good operator they do

1180
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:00,780
work they work very well and uh that's

1181
00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:04,020
why the operator that took that did that

1182
00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:05,819
test on me and on Bruce was he was one

1183
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,540
of the best so uh uh he so

1184
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,160
Bruce told the truth

1185
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:17,040
the damnedest thing I mean but here's

1186
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,500
the we sort of backed into this because

1187
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,359
we were talking about

1188
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,000
the brain and the way it rejects things

1189
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,880
that I think that if they had wanted to

1190
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,260
they could have gone into that bookstore

1191
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:30,720
and no one including Bruce Lee would

1192
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,060
have seen them I think they wanted him

1193
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:35,040
to see them because then they left and

1194
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,780
they he saw them walking off down the

1195
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:39,599
street and nobody batting an eye

1196
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:41,819
nobody better than I

1197
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,240
you're right in in them your latest book

1198
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:47,460
uh there's a line in there they mean us

1199
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:49,380
no harm I don't know if that's you

1200
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:50,819
writing that or that's one of the

1201
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,640
witnesses it's a witness you think

1202
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:55,680
you're talking to a guy that got roughed

1203
00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:57,240
up a good yeah I'm not so sure I would

1204
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,579
say that myself

1205
00:50:04,010 --> 00:50:01,560
um you write that they are not Angels

1206
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,020
they're not demons so I wonder what are

1207
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:06,599
they are they beings are they biological

1208
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,780
robots are they uh do we don't really

1209
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:11,940
get to see the real them I ask in this

1210
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:14,040
context a lot of the people who call

1211
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,440
themselves experiencers now are they're

1212
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:18,660
taking polls that say overall it's a

1213
00:50:22,809 --> 00:50:20,520
pretty positive experience it really

1214
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:22,819
changed my life for the better whereas

1215
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:26,040
from the communion days the experiences

1216
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:28,140
were not viewed in a positive uh light

1217
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,800
no well you know my experience my

1218
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:33,720
relationship with them evolved over the

1219
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:37,800
years a lot I

1220
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:39,720
after

1221
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,140
Ben and I realized that this was real

1222
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:45,000
that there's somebody was there and they

1223
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:46,619
weren't human

1224
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,900
I decided I thought to myself I'm going

1225
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,480
to try to

1226
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:53,040
expand my contact

1227
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:55,380
this was after I pretty much while I was

1228
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,680
writing communion right after anyway how

1229
00:51:02,750 --> 00:51:00,000
would I do that

1230
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,760
well I decided what I would do is I

1231
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,500
would wait until late at night and walk

1232
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,300
back to the place where I thought it had

1233
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:08,400
happened and I would just do that night

1234
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:11,099
after night as an indication of my

1235
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:13,020
willingness to

1236
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:16,619
re-engage so I said to Anne

1237
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:17,880
uh

1238
00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:20,700
why don't we do this we'll go we'll go

1239
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,819
down to the place to or the circle where

1240
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:25,380
it happened

1241
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:27,960
late at night and just sit there and

1242
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,140
just think about wanting to reconnect

1243
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,119
and see if it works

1244
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,559
she said but there's one little thing

1245
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:36,480
that's wrong with what you said it's the

1246
00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:37,859
word we

1247
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:39,260
you

1248
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:45,420
down there at night

1249
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:47,940
and the first night I tried to

1250
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:51,300
I got to the edge of the yard and I

1251
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,420
literally could not make my legs work I

1252
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,480
could not walk farther I had to go back

1253
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:00,000
it was hard but I did it

1254
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,500
and I finally after about six six months

1255
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:06,480
or so they they began to be responses

1256
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:10,859
little weird things that it happened uh

1257
00:52:17,049 --> 00:52:14,520
uh like the UFO I I was communicating

1258
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:17,059
with them in my head I I I I

1259
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:21,180
thought I was anyway and I would you

1260
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:22,680
know I was saying you know and it's not

1261
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,359
she's in the middle of this and she's

1262
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:26,400
not even seen a UFO

1263
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:28,440
and this will get back to the sense of

1264
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:31,740
humor by the way and show her one of

1265
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,780
your things because I know you can do

1266
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,800
that

1267
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:37,020
so a few nights later we're sitting out

1268
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:38,819
in the hot tub it's winter

1269
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:42,119
and you know we're we're in the hot tub

1270
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:44,220
in the winter and everyone in a hot tub

1271
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:47,579
in the winter outside is strategizing

1272
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,500
about why I should stay in the hot tub

1273
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:51,240
and not get out into the cold even

1274
00:52:56,569 --> 00:52:53,240
though I've been in here for four hours

1275
00:52:58,089 --> 00:52:56,579
uh so we're doing we're there and all of

1276
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:58,099
a sudden we hear this

1277
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:01,740
over the house and I Think Jesus it's

1278
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:02,940
them

1279
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,640
and we look up I said Annie I think it's

1280
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:08,160
them look at listen to that noise

1281
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:09,960
and then

1282
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:13,619
their moves over the hot tub what looked

1283
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:15,059
like

1284
00:53:24,670 --> 00:53:20,819
a gigantic flying pile of logs decorated

1285
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:24,680
with Christmas lights going

1286
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,300
and we're looking up at this thing and

1287
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:30,059
she says you went up in that

1288
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,460
I said I don't know what that is and she

1289
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,920
says well I better not fall on us and

1290
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:36,359
then it goes off

1291
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:39,420
and down a little draw and you can hear

1292
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:41,579
it going off up another draw Into the

1293
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:42,540
Woods

1294
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:45,180
so that was Ann's UFO

1295
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:47,880
a pile of logs with Christmas lights on

1296
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:49,140
it

1297
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:50,700
what do you think of that what do you

1298
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,920
make of yeah the absurdity that seems to

1299
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:55,200
be on purpose uh it was on purpose for

1300
00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:56,819
sure yeah there's so many cases like

1301
00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:57,900
that there's a Nobel science

1302
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,119
prize-winning scientist who saw a green

1303
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:03,119
raccoon that was uh yeah that was uh

1304
00:54:06,130 --> 00:54:05,160
what was his name Gary Mullins Terry

1305
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:06,140
Terry

1306
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:09,059
oh he was a good guy knew Carrie Mullis

1307
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:11,640
and we talked about his experience

1308
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:13,260
very much so

1309
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,859
and he was he's I I said why do you

1310
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,240
think

1311
00:54:22,609 --> 00:54:20,160
it was like that and he was a very

1312
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:22,619
brilliant man and he didn't say it was

1313
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:25,559
their sense of humor he said it was what

1314
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,460
I could see oh interesting a very very

1315
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,500
good answer you hear that and you think

1316
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:33,480
I'd understand now why I went on Nobel

1317
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,339
Prize it was in chemistry but

1318
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,800
nevertheless that was a very good mind

1319
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:40,079
the absurdity that comes along with them

1320
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,880
I'm thinking of Kelly Hopkinsville

1321
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:44,400
that's famous case where it was like

1322
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:46,140
aliens in a shooting gallery they'd

1323
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:48,180
shoot them and they'd pop back up we

1324
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:50,220
just did a story a couple of days ago

1325
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:52,380
about an incident in Las Vegas I don't

1326
00:54:56,809 --> 00:54:54,180
know if it's real or not but they said

1327
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:56,819
these 10 foot tall aliens got behind the

1328
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,160
the controls of a a front loader machine

1329
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,200
and was trying to operate it that makes

1330
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,020
no sense I mean you know there it seems

1331
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,000
like these kind of details are thrown

1332
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,160
into the cases to make them absurd on

1333
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:10,140
purpose and hard to believe I don't

1334
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:11,640
think that it I think it has two

1335
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,040
purposes I think it is one it keeps the

1336
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:16,559
question opened and to the witnesses who

1337
00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:18,780
are there it tells them that this is

1338
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:20,579
something real because it's not

1339
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:22,380
something you would just dream up

1340
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,980
in other words it's confirming and also

1341
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:28,319
keeps the question open it does both

1342
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,599
they're very very interested in keeping

1343
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:32,220
the question open that's why things are

1344
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:36,599
like they are that's why it was me a

1345
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:39,660
horror novelist with a bad reputation as

1346
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,960
a prankster uh who ended up doing this

1347
00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:44,880
instead of Carl Sagan

1348
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,390
because I can tell the story a story

1349
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:56,400
well and very accurately I'm very

1350
00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,520
accurate I'm a good Witness

1351
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,099
but you don't have to believe

1352
00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:04,500
a person with my background

1353
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:07,619
you don't right let me ask you this

1354
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:11,160
um I so I can accept from where I'm

1355
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:14,880
standing that there are machines that

1356
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:17,700
they're in our skies I've seen evidence

1357
00:56:22,609 --> 00:56:20,099
of this that's so weighty I can't ignore

1358
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,619
that or not the luxury of disbelief I

1359
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,240
know our military is involved I know

1360
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,160
that we have what we believe to be

1361
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:28,319
recovered vehicles

1362
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:30,900
so I can understand that I can grasp

1363
00:56:37,549 --> 00:56:34,020
that conceptually it's harder for me to

1364
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:37,559
grasp things that are so uh foreign to

1365
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:39,720
me so how do you

1366
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:41,940
allow those two worlds to live together

1367
00:56:47,809 --> 00:56:45,000
this technological story uh maybe

1368
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:47,819
physical things that have been told to

1369
00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:51,180
or you know through human dialogue with

1370
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:52,920
the things that you're describing is

1371
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,020
there a world where those things work

1372
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:57,119
where they fit where they mesh like how

1373
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,160
do you mesh those things well if you

1374
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:01,920
don't walk the type rope of question I

1375
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:05,220
mean you have physical uh Craft on one

1376
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:07,800
side debris material I've got some of

1377
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:09,780
the material myself in my office

1378
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:13,740
and it's real uh you've got that on one

1379
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:14,579
side

1380
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:17,220
uh you you're gonna have stories about

1381
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,559
bodies coming out I would guess very

1382
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:21,839
soon you have all of that on one side

1383
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:25,500
it's an entirely physical story yeah on

1384
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:28,640
the other side you have this

1385
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,880
enormous body of testimony that suggests

1386
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:34,859
that this is part of the physical world

1387
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:37,920
yes but not quite in the same way we are

1388
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:40,980
because it is Freer to move in and out

1389
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,980
of a more numerous level of reality if

1390
00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:45,359
you don't

1391
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:47,460
stay on that tightrope between the two

1392
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:51,720
things you fall into belief one belief

1393
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:53,700
that's not big enough or another belief

1394
00:58:00,250 --> 00:57:56,520
that's not big enough because this whole

1395
00:58:04,910 --> 00:58:00,260
thing the whole question is this

1396
00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:04,920
whatever it is it has the it has an

1397
00:58:11,770 --> 00:58:09,059
expression that is also non-physical in

1398
00:58:15,410 --> 00:58:11,780
some way and that may be its origin even

1399
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:15,420
we don't know that we don't know if

1400
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,819
these strange materials are spun out of

1401
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:20,640
the mind or

1402
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:23,940
technology like we would create or not

1403
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:26,280
I remember

1404
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:27,420
uh

1405
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:29,819
Dr Robert sarbacher who was a

1406
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:32,220
metallurgist to Stanton Friedman

1407
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:35,700
introduced me to in 1986 when I was

1408
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,099
working on communion and really trying

1409
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,319
to find some evidence of some kind of

1410
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:42,720
physical aspect to this because you know

1411
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:44,460
I was injured I was obviously was a

1412
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,280
physical experience in some way

1413
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:50,400
and uh Dr sarbacher talked to me about

1414
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:52,500
the metal that they had that they'd

1415
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:53,940
gotten from Roswell

1416
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:56,460
and he

1417
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:58,859
uh he said

1418
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:02,099
that that he that they when the electron

1419
00:59:08,530 --> 00:59:03,839
microscope came on stream they could

1420
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:08,540
look at it and see that it was a a

1421
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,160
molecular mesh I think was the way he

1422
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:12,960
described it I could be wrong about that

1423
00:59:19,490 --> 00:59:15,960
but anyway then and

1424
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,500
uh so there was some real physical stuff

1425
00:59:23,569 --> 00:59:21,359
on the one hand

1426
00:59:26,210 --> 00:59:23,579
on the other hand I remembered flying up

1427
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:26,220
into the air without an elevator I just

1428
00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:28,140
rose right up into the thing out of the

1429
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:29,220
woods

1430
00:59:33,289 --> 00:59:31,559
so you figure oh you put all those

1431
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,299
things together you can't really do it

1432
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:36,420
sarbacher was a pretty major figure in

1433
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:37,980
this field for our audience who don't

1434
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:39,960
recognize my need is a presidential

1435
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,020
science advisor he first uh popped into

1436
00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:45,119
the UFO world because of quotes that he

1437
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,579
gave to a researcher that said yeah I

1438
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,440
was invited to take a look at these

1439
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:51,599
crashed saucers or whatever recovered

1440
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,880
materials and it's uh I can tell you

1441
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:56,160
that it's classified higher than the

1442
01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:58,619
h-bomb pretty famous quote he was a

1443
01:00:03,049 --> 01:00:00,540
major guy and you got to meet him I well

1444
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,059
I met him on the telephone and he uh

1445
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:05,220
yeah he he didn't have a security

1446
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,660
clearance and he didn't have any

1447
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:09,119
confidentialities and nor did he respect

1448
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:10,859
that he didn't understand he told me I

1449
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:13,079
don't understand why it's so secret and

1450
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:14,460
he told me a lot of things about it

1451
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:16,980
including about the same thing art Exxon

1452
01:00:21,770 --> 01:00:18,299
would tell me two years later that we

1453
01:00:23,450 --> 01:00:21,780
had crash disks uh or no excuse me my

1454
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:23,460
uncle Mickey told me that we had crash

1455
01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:26,579
disks uh and then our ex and agreed with

1456
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,460
that and in any case uh they were both

1457
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,160
at right field and the debris was

1458
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:33,599
brought in they were both in air

1459
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:38,339
material at the time and so uh Dr

1460
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,500
sarbacher was very plain spoken and he

1461
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:42,960
said to me the last thing he said was

1462
01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:45,240
I would like you to sit down and write

1463
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:47,640
out everything you remember that have

1464
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:50,280
happened to you and so the next day I

1465
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:52,680
wrote it all out as I remembered it

1466
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:56,000
and he wanted me to send it to him by

1467
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:58,740
overnight when we did overnight was just

1468
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:01,740
new then there was FedEx and UPS

1469
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,559
overnight had just started and they had

1470
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,960
it in my area but not FedEx so I used

1471
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:09,599
UPS overnight and they came and picked

1472
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:10,619
it up

1473
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:13,559
and uh

1474
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,700
the next day someone called me from UPS

1475
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:19,500
I guess I think it was the guy was

1476
01:01:24,829 --> 01:01:22,140
trying to deliver it and said I'm sorry

1477
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:24,839
I can't make this delivery the uh

1478
01:01:31,849 --> 01:01:29,040
individual that is addressed to has died

1479
01:01:34,190 --> 01:01:31,859
and Dr saurabhaka had died

1480
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,200
I said do you know how he died and the

1481
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,280
man said

1482
01:01:41,150 --> 01:01:38,280
he fell off of his yacht

1483
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,160
uh the death certificate says National

1484
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:42,720
causes

1485
01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:46,079
but that scared me and in communion you

1486
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:48,119
see me referring to him but not to any

1487
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,740
details about his death or anything

1488
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,319
because at the time

1489
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:54,720
I was just beginning to realize that

1490
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,940
there was a heavy duty level of secrecy

1491
01:02:02,650 --> 01:01:59,280
involved in this and that there were a

1492
01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:02,660
lot of very unusual people involved

1493
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:05,880
and uh I was scared

1494
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:08,880
I was you know I have a family and I I

1495
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:12,000
had a little boy and a wife and

1496
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:14,460
I didn't want us to get tangled up in

1497
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:16,680
some awful

1498
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,819
weird stuff with those kinds of people

1499
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:23,280
the next question like we might learn

1500
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,319
really soon about a technological

1501
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:27,119
reality associated with the UFO

1502
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:29,579
phenomenon that feels imminent and that

1503
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:30,540
feels like something that can be

1504
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:33,420
provable digested and accepted and is

1505
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,680
likely true

1506
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:36,720
but the next question people are going

1507
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:40,020
to ask is if that is true and there is

1508
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:42,900
some other there's some other that is

1509
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:45,960
somehow engaging Humanity are all of

1510
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:48,599
these other stories or are some of these

1511
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:51,660
other stories true what's the intent are

1512
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:53,700
some of these abduction stories true is

1513
01:02:57,289 --> 01:02:55,140
that why there's been some sort of

1514
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,299
cover-up is because the reality is

1515
01:03:02,270 --> 01:02:59,520
scarier than people can know right away

1516
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:02,280
so that is a logical question if we

1517
01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:04,440
learn that the core reality to the

1518
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,079
physical aspect of UFOs is true

1519
01:03:11,630 --> 01:03:09,359
where does that lead us what other

1520
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:11,640
questions what harder questions are

1521
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,040
going to need to be asked I think that

1522
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:16,079
the first question that needs to be

1523
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,740
asked after that question is answered if

1524
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,079
there if we have got the answer there is

1525
01:03:26,510 --> 01:03:24,000
a physical presence here

1526
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:26,520
and we have bodies we have biology we

1527
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:28,799
have technology

1528
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:30,900
it's physical presence

1529
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:33,420
then why is it

1530
01:03:38,289 --> 01:03:36,720
that so many people who engage with this

1531
01:03:41,530 --> 01:03:38,299
presence

1532
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:41,540
experience it for example

1533
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:44,700
uh along with their own dead friends and

1534
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:47,160
relatives what what is it about the

1535
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:51,180
experience or about this presence that

1536
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:54,780
is partly physical that also seems to

1537
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,240
bleed off into areas of reality that

1538
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:59,520
most of us don't even believe exist like

1539
01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:01,920
like life after like life after death

1540
01:04:06,589 --> 01:04:04,440
Etc like Annie came out of her office

1541
01:04:07,789 --> 01:04:06,599
one day and she says to me Whitney this

1542
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:07,799
has something to do with what we call

1543
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:08,819
death

1544
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:10,740
and uh

1545
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:13,260
the reason she said that was a letter

1546
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,720
after letter not every letter but a lot

1547
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:18,000
of letters enough for her to notice it

1548
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:21,839
as a trend uh refers to experiences

1549
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:22,920
where

1550
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:26,520
the dead friends and relatives would

1551
01:04:32,049 --> 01:04:29,760
appear right before during or with the

1552
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:32,059
visitors and that happened at our cabin

1553
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:35,220
not to me but to other people who came

1554
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:38,460
to she was very good at she was really a

1555
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:41,220
very strange just a nice girl from

1556
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:42,900
Michigan I mean there was nothing but I

1557
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:44,760
met Anne that would say that she was

1558
01:04:50,410 --> 01:04:46,260
anything else

1559
01:04:52,849 --> 01:04:50,420
but except I guess once we were together

1560
01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:52,859
strange things began to happen that were

1561
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:56,040
we regarded as quite funny but in any

1562
01:04:58,370 --> 01:04:57,059
case

1563
01:05:05,710 --> 01:04:58,380
uh

1564
01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:05,720
would see the visitors when they came

1565
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:09,480
and you know Lori Barnes their secretary

1566
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,020
had experiences at the cabin uh a woman

1567
01:05:17,329 --> 01:05:15,599
that wrote us letters Raven Dana is

1568
01:05:19,789 --> 01:05:17,339
still very much with us had experiences

1569
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:19,799
at the cabin other people did too who

1570
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,359
haven't come forward yet a number of

1571
01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:23,520
other people but

1572
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:24,420
um

1573
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:28,920
uh Raven uh and Laurie no I guess not

1574
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:31,619
Raven Laurie was one of the ones she

1575
01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:33,720
walked into the cabin one evening after

1576
01:05:38,089 --> 01:05:36,599
taking a walk and she said I just saw my

1577
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:38,099
brother on the road

1578
01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:40,619
and we didn't know anything about her

1579
01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:42,359
brother and so I thought what's he doing

1580
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:44,819
up here and then she said

1581
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:47,400
he disappeared 20 years ago and the FBI

1582
01:05:51,470 --> 01:05:49,260
declared him dead and he was standing

1583
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:51,480
there I tried to get him to come down

1584
01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:54,839
but he just said that to tell to to he

1585
01:05:58,490 --> 01:05:56,339
was there to let her know he was all

1586
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,500
right and he drifted off into the woods

1587
01:06:02,329 --> 01:06:00,480
and disappeared before my eyes

1588
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:02,339
and Ann said to me very quietly a little

1589
01:06:07,730 --> 01:06:04,380
later the visitors will be here tonight

1590
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:07,740
and they were and most of the time when

1591
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:09,059
they came

1592
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:12,079
either in the context of their arrival

1593
01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:16,859
or sometime before there would be

1594
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:19,859
someone having a a fairly extraordinary

1595
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:22,740
experience with the Dead

1596
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:23,819
yeah

1597
01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:26,520
getting back to this question which has

1598
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:27,780
sort of become the theme of our

1599
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,960
discussion in a way you have to walk the

1600
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:32,760
line because we're going to have

1601
01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:35,160
physical we've got the the physical

1602
01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:39,180
debris is now real there be attempts to

1603
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:40,920
debunk it I'm sure that I'm sure that

1604
01:06:46,609 --> 01:06:42,299
there are people in the dod working

1605
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,619
overtime to uh to discredit David grush

1606
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,720
and I think there's already a story in

1607
01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:50,400
the Atlantic Monthly about it and all

1608
01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:53,460
this we'll go on and on and on

1609
01:07:01,549 --> 01:06:57,000
but the bottom line is we do have debris

1610
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:01,559
and probably intact saucers devices

1611
01:07:06,770 --> 01:07:04,680
now how do we go from there

1612
01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:06,780
to encounters between the living and the

1613
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:07,799
dead

1614
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:10,319
we're going to have to do that but you

1615
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,539
know we're capable of this because what

1616
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,640
you said before that we're gonna we're

1617
01:07:19,849 --> 01:07:17,520
going to crack the nut of the materials

1618
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:19,859
very quickly the bodies the materials

1619
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,440
we're going to understand this and once

1620
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:24,960
the question of how they all work is

1621
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:27,599
actually out into the public space and

1622
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:31,380
and and and and and freed from the from

1623
01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:35,520
the very airless world of of the of of

1624
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,500
of of of of the inside where there's

1625
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:39,599
just not enough good Minds I mean

1626
01:07:43,609 --> 01:07:41,400
there's a lot of good Minds in there but

1627
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,619
they're not they're nothing compared to

1628
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:45,839
what's on the outside there's a lot of

1629
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,520
Brilliance out there in the world and I

1630
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,200
would say that we will figure out how

1631
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:51,599
these things work uh but let me just

1632
01:07:57,650 --> 01:07:55,440
finish but all of that yes but then what

1633
01:07:59,569 --> 01:07:57,660
do we do with this other thing the dead

1634
01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:59,579
they're not even supposed to exist we

1635
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:01,500
live in a secular world now we don't

1636
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:03,900
believe there's anything other than the

1637
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:04,740
body

1638
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:06,780
I I don't agree with that I have

1639
01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:09,539
definitely aware of the soul but most

1640
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:11,579
people aren't how do we go there how do

1641
01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:13,020
we go down that road how do we make

1642
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:14,280
sense of that

1643
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,199
it's a good question I think you wrote a

1644
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,480
book called the key yep

1645
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:20,640
and it's about a series of encounters or

1646
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:22,440
at least one major encounter one

1647
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:24,839
encounter only one you're awake You're

1648
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:27,600
Sober this is not a dream that you have

1649
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:29,580
a conversation or at least a download

1650
01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:32,460
from a being that's a conversation it

1651
01:08:37,729 --> 01:08:34,859
mentioned about the afterlife yeah right

1652
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:37,739
what what did he tell you well uh he

1653
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:40,640
talked a lot about a lot of things that

1654
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:43,500
contextually I was at the Delta Chelsea

1655
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:46,739
Hotel in uh Toronto I'll never forget it

1656
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:49,980
I was in room 2545 when it happened and

1657
01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:52,380
I um there was it came a knock on the

1658
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:53,699
door and I thought it was the room

1659
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,739
service waiter because I had a tray on

1660
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,600
the you know I'd eaten in my room

1661
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,460
and um

1662
01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:01,199
I opened the door and the sky comes

1663
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:03,540
rushing in and it's immediately obvious

1664
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:05,699
it's not the room service waiter

1665
01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:08,880
and one rule of thumb if you're a writer

1666
01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:10,980
or any of you guys are the same rule of

1667
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:12,839
thumb I'm sure

1668
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:16,080
no one who comes to you after midnight

1669
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:22,130
I thought it was earlier

1670
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:24,900
but I realized then it was about two and

1671
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:27,299
so I started trying to get him out

1672
01:09:32,150 --> 01:09:29,940
but he was so articulate

1673
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:32,160
and said such extraordinary things that

1674
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:34,859
turned into a conversation

1675
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:38,880
and he he talked about the dead and

1676
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:41,460
about the fact that they are real and

1677
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:44,100
that this is that there is a there is a

1678
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,900
flow between the living and the dead and

1679
01:09:49,729 --> 01:09:48,239
that what we call the dead and I've

1680
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:49,739
always thought to myself I wonder if

1681
01:09:53,329 --> 01:09:51,779
they call us the Dead

1682
01:09:55,490 --> 01:09:53,339
you know in other words what we think of

1683
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:55,500
is the dead or the living is as far as

1684
01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:58,020
they're concerned and we're dead

1685
01:10:01,910 --> 01:10:01,020
um I don't know but after my wife passed

1686
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:01,920
away

1687
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,679
years and years ago when we began to we

1688
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:06,480
were both totally secular

1689
01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:09,300
I mean we were not religious and

1690
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,100
yet we were getting all these stories

1691
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:12,960
and we decided that if there is an

1692
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,520
afterlife

1693
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:17,280
the one of us that goes first

1694
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:19,800
will start out by communicating with

1695
01:10:26,510 --> 01:10:23,100
friends if this is possible because if I

1696
01:10:30,830 --> 01:10:26,520
you know uh if we we were not the type

1697
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,840
of people if I had like seen Anne's

1698
01:10:34,189 --> 01:10:32,280
ghost or something I would just assume

1699
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:34,199
it was my imagination

1700
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:37,320
so after any passed away

1701
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:40,860
that same night not even two hours later

1702
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:43,500
a friend who did not know she was dead

1703
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:46,860
calls up and says Whitley is Ann okay

1704
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:50,760
and I said and Bell no she's passed on

1705
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:52,500
she just passed on a couple of hours ago

1706
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:54,060
she knew she was sick of course all of

1707
01:10:57,229 --> 01:10:55,199
our friends did

1708
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:57,239
and uh

1709
01:11:01,610 --> 01:10:58,920
she said

1710
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:01,620
because I just heard her say very

1711
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:05,820
clearly in my ear to call Whitley

1712
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,900
and I had been sitting there literally

1713
01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:12,239
thinking Annie if you still exist in any

1714
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:14,580
way for God's sakes let me know I'd

1715
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:16,620
forgotten about The Pact

1716
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,260
and this happened five or six times over

1717
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,480
the next week with all kinds of

1718
01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:23,760
different people all totally unrelated

1719
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:26,699
to each other totally unrelated to each

1720
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:27,420
other

1721
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:32,280
and I finally even me always clinging to

1722
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,060
the this the skeptical and you know it's

1723
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:38,640
a you know they they they got the this

1724
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:41,699
guy who's just not a Believer dragged

1725
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:44,400
into this thing and so I'm not

1726
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:48,420
getting into a belief mode until finally

1727
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:50,760
I realize

1728
01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:52,500
it has to be true

1729
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:55,320
she is still here it couldn't be any

1730
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:56,340
other way

1731
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,199
and that

1732
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:00,480
developed into an ongoing relationship

1733
01:12:06,110 --> 01:12:02,340
with my wife and that's why I wear two

1734
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:06,120
rings we're still married but we're just

1735
01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:09,900
down to one body for the time being

1736
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:11,940
the first time we ever talked it was via

1737
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,600
satellite in August of 1989 and you hit

1738
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:17,040
me with a quote that I've used many

1739
01:12:21,410 --> 01:12:19,140
times since then and and uh and that

1740
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,420
will never forget he said that the the

1741
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,520
true architects of the secrecy are the

1742
01:12:27,709 --> 01:12:25,440
visitors yes are you right about that

1743
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:27,719
extensively in in them you you continue

1744
01:12:33,290 --> 01:12:30,120
that you you expanded further saying

1745
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,300
that the secrecy has been imposed by

1746
01:12:38,090 --> 01:12:35,280
them on our government on our military

1747
01:12:40,850 --> 01:12:38,100
what do you mean well they haven't

1748
01:12:42,830 --> 01:12:40,860
imposed it by going to Mr President or

1749
01:12:45,229 --> 01:12:42,840
somebody and saying you keep this right

1750
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:45,239
under the cover under covers it's been

1751
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:47,880
much more indirect and clever than that

1752
01:12:53,209 --> 01:12:50,340
they have done things

1753
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:53,219
that our military has no choice but to

1754
01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:55,320
keep secret I'll give you a perfect

1755
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,440
example uh the Roswell incident was not

1756
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,719
the first incident there were other

1757
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:02,480
things that happened before then

1758
01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:04,920
specifically there was probably the

1759
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:08,219
Trinity incident which uh jacquia and

1760
01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:11,340
Paul Harris wrote about in Trinity and

1761
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:13,980
but then there were also a number of

1762
01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:17,040
shoot Downs of missiles that we were

1763
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:20,520
testing at White Sands German uh rockets

1764
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:22,260
that we had that we were testing at

1765
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:23,640
White Sands

1766
01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:27,420
and I go into in them I go into some

1767
01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:30,540
detail about those shoot downs and at

1768
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,000
the time what would come out in the

1769
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:35,280
Press was fairly straightforward only

1770
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:38,520
later did it get covered up but but you

1771
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,860
can tell from the reports that it

1772
01:13:45,169 --> 01:13:43,040
probably were shoot Downs taking place

1773
01:13:47,570 --> 01:13:45,179
and of course the military would have

1774
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:47,580
been completely bananas about it

1775
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:49,800
internally

1776
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:53,360
um but then the Roswell incident occurs

1777
01:14:02,450 --> 01:13:59,760
and uh this incident this object is if

1778
01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:02,460
it crashes a few miles from

1779
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:06,120
Roswell Army Airfield where the 509th

1780
01:14:12,649 --> 01:14:10,440
bomb Wing is uh is stationed those are

1781
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,659
the only operational Atomic bombers in

1782
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:14,159
the world

1783
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,540
that is a place that Stalin most wants

1784
01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:21,360
to know about in the whole world because

1785
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:23,159
he's got four and a half million

1786
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:25,980
soldiers along a line across Central

1787
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:28,380
Europe ready to sweep into Western

1788
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:31,380
Europe and take the whole thing and he's

1789
01:14:35,950 --> 01:14:33,239
not doing that because he scared those

1790
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:35,960
bombers will come over and blow him

1791
01:14:42,050 --> 01:14:38,100
Smithereens like all dictators is

1792
01:14:44,990 --> 01:14:42,060
terrified of his own death uh uh and

1793
01:14:47,330 --> 01:14:45,000
he's in Moscow and he is afraid they'll

1794
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:47,340
they'll Obama bomb him and he's right

1795
01:14:53,630 --> 01:14:50,280
they would have and and the Russians did

1796
01:14:55,729 --> 01:14:53,640
not have sufficiently sophisticated uh

1797
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:55,739
counter measures some of those bombers

1798
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:57,300
or maybe even all of them would have

1799
01:15:02,030 --> 01:15:00,060
gotten through to the to the heart of

1800
01:15:04,850 --> 01:15:02,040
the Soviet Union and he could not

1801
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:04,860
respond in any significant way so it's a

1802
01:15:08,090 --> 01:15:06,060
stalemate

1803
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:08,100
he's sitting there

1804
01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:09,840
now

1805
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:13,500
word comes from Roswell that debris of a

1806
01:15:20,209 --> 01:15:16,560
crashed aircraft has been found I think

1807
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:20,219
it was 30 or 40 miles north of uh the

1808
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:20,940
field

1809
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:24,120
and at first the soldiers are excited

1810
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,980
because they're more innocent they don't

1811
01:15:33,890 --> 01:15:28,800
have the mindset of the upper higher

1812
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:33,900
levels and they want to tell the world

1813
01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:35,880
they founded flying disc and this is

1814
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:37,980
Roswell Army Airfield it did it hey

1815
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,020
we're you know we're really cool

1816
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:42,239
and upper

1817
01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:45,300
at levels say this could be a Soviet spy

1818
01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:48,360
plane and they totally clamp down

1819
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:49,860
now

1820
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:52,440
in my opinion the visitors knew damn

1821
01:15:59,630 --> 01:15:55,560
well what would happen did a they would

1822
01:16:01,790 --> 01:15:59,640
reveal themselves and B we would the

1823
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:01,800
military would keep it secret because

1824
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:04,500
they intended from the beginning and

1825
01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:06,840
there's a long period of human history

1826
01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:08,820
in which they were

1827
01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:11,580
into injecting themselves into our

1828
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,340
historical stream at times very

1829
01:16:19,310 --> 01:16:16,800
carefully then after the atomic bomb

1830
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:19,320
they decide we've got to do something

1831
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,480
more radical here and that means that a

1832
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:27,360
a real relationship has to be developed

1833
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,340
and this is going to take time and this

1834
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:31,679
is going to be hard but we have to start

1835
01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:35,280
somewhere and we have to control it and

1836
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:36,360
we're going to let

1837
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:39,420
these people know we're here we're going

1838
01:16:44,390 --> 01:16:41,400
to let them learn all kinds of things

1839
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:44,400
about us but what we are not going to do

1840
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:48,420
is let them tell their public because if

1841
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,340
they tell their public that will be

1842
01:16:57,649 --> 01:16:52,800
cultural colonization the whole public

1843
01:17:00,050 --> 01:16:57,659
mind will turn toward us and uh we will

1844
01:17:03,169 --> 01:17:00,060
no longer they will no longer be

1845
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:03,179
developing them on their own it is an

1846
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:04,980
incredibly compassionate and also

1847
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:08,100
self-serving thing to do uh and so they

1848
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:10,739
keep themselves hidden while under the

1849
01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:14,640
surface teaching us all kinds of things

1850
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:16,380
about them now

1851
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:19,500
when this finally begins to emerge from

1852
01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:22,020
The Hidden World from the inner inner

1853
01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:26,699
circles it Emer is going to emerge as a

1854
01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:30,420
an ongoing process of discovery that

1855
01:17:36,890 --> 01:17:33,900
where it's it's we're not in the dark

1856
01:17:40,010 --> 01:17:36,900
about a lot of things we're going to be

1857
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:40,020
the public is going to be brought into

1858
01:17:45,290 --> 01:17:43,620
this at a time when we already have a

1859
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:45,300
certain amount of control over the

1860
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:46,500
relationship

1861
01:17:51,770 --> 01:17:49,980
that's what's happened and that's and I

1862
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:51,780
think it's it's happening now because

1863
01:17:55,850 --> 01:17:54,540
the planet is unstable due to the fact

1864
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:55,860
that there's too many human beings on

1865
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:58,920
it's my experiences with the visitors is

1866
01:18:05,570 --> 01:18:01,320
that they're not in the least concerned

1867
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:05,580
they're not pointing fingers at anyone

1868
01:18:10,430 --> 01:18:08,820
uh saying oh they're not they're not

1869
01:18:12,530 --> 01:18:10,440
responding they're not helping the

1870
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,540
planet Etc they just say it's it's

1871
01:18:17,209 --> 01:18:15,120
population it's overpopulated and

1872
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,219
therefore it's going to fail and and

1873
01:18:20,209 --> 01:18:18,960
they're going to intervene in some way

1874
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,219
because

1875
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:21,840
you know they don't want that to happen

1876
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:24,360
to us and I don't blame them I obviously

1877
01:18:30,189 --> 01:18:27,840
don't want it either but uh uh

1878
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:30,199
and they're doing it very very carefully

1879
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,080
they have they've got a contingency plan

1880
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,760
that they have enacted that's what the

1881
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:37,920
abductions were about what whatever

1882
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:42,060
their outcome was they have in some way

1883
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:43,520
preserved

1884
01:18:51,410 --> 01:18:49,620
uh some kind of a of a of a record of us

1885
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:51,420
and probably other species on the planet

1886
01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:53,159
in case this fails

1887
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:55,800
but they are going to now try

1888
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:58,140
to integrate with us

1889
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,840
in a way that we don't integrate with

1890
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:03,120
anything and at first it's going to be

1891
01:19:07,729 --> 01:19:05,820
easy we're going to say oh cool aliens

1892
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:07,739
finally the government's coming

1893
01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:09,780
but then later

1894
01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:13,080
the whole issue of the living and the

1895
01:19:19,130 --> 01:19:16,679
dead and the soul and the body will come

1896
01:19:23,090 --> 01:19:19,140
more and more into Focus

1897
01:19:26,090 --> 01:19:23,100
and why my wife who's as I've said

1898
01:19:28,189 --> 01:19:26,100
before was a very unusual being

1899
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:28,199
decided this book should be called

1900
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:31,140
communion that book will become more and

1901
01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:33,600
more evident in the lives of every

1902
01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:36,120
single human being who's exposed to this

1903
01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:39,659
because it is a much deeper than simply

1904
01:19:43,250 --> 01:19:41,400
sitting across a table from a funny

1905
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:43,260
looking man and finding out his cell

1906
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:44,880
phone is really cool

1907
01:19:50,990 --> 01:19:48,420
uh it's much deeper

1908
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,000
this is about a new world if we can take

1909
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,760
it as Phil Corso said

1910
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:55,679
communion wasn't just about your

1911
01:19:59,630 --> 01:19:58,020
experiences people forget it was it went

1912
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:59,640
into great detail about secret

1913
01:20:04,370 --> 01:20:01,920
government programs and cover-ups and

1914
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:04,380
things of that sort them picks up on it

1915
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:06,780
and it's up to date to the point where

1916
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:09,300
the current events that aimsog program

1917
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,780
that became Arrow current studies atep

1918
01:20:17,630 --> 01:20:15,120
all that it becomes very clear you

1919
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:17,640
mentioned our friend Dave gresh the

1920
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,020
pushback's already happening the

1921
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:20,880
debunking is coming you know the Wall

1922
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:23,520
Street Journal the New York Times They

1923
01:20:26,930 --> 01:20:25,080
do these not only debunking but

1924
01:20:28,970 --> 01:20:26,940
pre-bunking and you you know that he's

1925
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:28,980
going to get dumped on the keepers of

1926
01:20:34,850 --> 01:20:32,400
the secrets do not want this out no for

1927
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:34,860
a variety of reasons control Power and

1928
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,679
because we're worried our rent we'll let

1929
01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:39,600
our adversaries know how far along we

1930
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:41,699
are but you'd think that there's no

1931
01:20:45,229 --> 01:20:43,620
stopping it I don't think there's any

1932
01:20:47,330 --> 01:20:45,239
stopping it I think the visitors are in

1933
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:47,340
control of it and they're going to do

1934
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:49,380
what they're going to do if it stops

1935
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:52,020
it's because they wanted to stop if it

1936
01:20:56,090 --> 01:20:53,940
doesn't and they're not a coh they're

1937
01:20:58,010 --> 01:20:56,100
not a cohesive group I don't think I

1938
01:21:00,110 --> 01:20:58,020
think there's a lot of give and take

1939
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:00,120
among them and argument and fights

1940
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,719
frankly uh I and so right now

1941
01:21:09,649 --> 01:21:06,239
whoever it is who wants this more known

1942
01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:09,659
is in the ascendancy and uh maybe that

1943
01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:11,219
won't last I don't know I think there

1944
01:21:15,050 --> 01:21:12,600
have been times in the past when they

1945
01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:15,060
have been and it hasn't lasted is there

1946
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:18,300
more than one them oh yeah

1947
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,820
I know of two that I've interacted with

1948
01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:22,560
fairly extensively

1949
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,620
and to read the literature that the

1950
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:27,120
descriptions from other people there are

1951
01:21:29,930 --> 01:21:28,400
many

1952
01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:29,940
and

1953
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:32,100
um but why wouldn't there be I mean if

1954
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:33,960
there's only one other intelligent

1955
01:21:38,209 --> 01:21:36,000
species in this universe that would be

1956
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,219
almost as amazing

1957
01:21:44,090 --> 01:21:40,080
that would be amazing because I mean

1958
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:44,100
it's so huge yeah I mean you think that

1959
01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:46,199
there are billions of human beings and

1960
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:49,080
we feel very common to ourselves

1961
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,340
but we are far compared to the number of

1962
01:21:58,910 --> 01:21:55,920
stars there are in this universe we are

1963
01:22:00,890 --> 01:21:58,920
almost so rare that we're a statistical

1964
01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:00,900
in probability

1965
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:03,780
we're just that rare

1966
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:06,120
I just think of the yeah there are

1967
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,219
billions of humans but there are tens of

1968
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:09,840
billions of other earthlings other

1969
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:12,840
species other animals and things and but

1970
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,320
in in the context of other planets

1971
01:22:21,709 --> 01:22:19,199
you're not talking just about a few

1972
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,719
you're talking about many many many many

1973
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,280
many many

1974
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:26,159
I think that I've often thought that we

1975
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:28,500
are somehow or another sequestered here

1976
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:30,900
that the reason we haven't seen anybody

1977
01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:33,719
or I don't pick up any signals is not

1978
01:22:37,070 --> 01:22:35,100
because they aren't there because

1979
01:22:40,130 --> 01:22:37,080
they're not allowed to get through to us

1980
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,140
they were we're in a state of

1981
01:22:46,729 --> 01:22:43,199
development of some kind and maybe the

1982
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:46,739
next stage of this development is going

1983
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,360
to be when we the what is for us a wall

1984
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:53,280
between the worlds of the living and the

1985
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,980
worlds of the Dead ceases to exist and

1986
01:23:00,350 --> 01:22:57,840
we become much more like the visitors

1987
01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:00,360
tell you a story and it's from one of

1988
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:02,520
Kathleen Martin's books

1989
01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:06,420
uh Kathleen is a has done abduction

1990
01:23:11,330 --> 01:23:08,460
research for many years and she's a

1991
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:11,340
prominent member of mufon or was anyway

1992
01:23:17,149 --> 01:23:14,100
she may have retired from that by now in

1993
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:17,159
any case he tells the story of a man who

1994
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:19,800
had a little private Airport

1995
01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:23,880
and he would uh he saw a UFO land at the

1996
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:28,020
at the uh uh only one of his runways so

1997
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,360
he starts putting out lights and things

1998
01:23:33,649 --> 01:23:32,159
and trying to attract them and they do

1999
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:33,659
come back

2000
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:37,080
but one night he hears a noise down in

2001
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,900
his hangers it's a small operation he

2002
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:42,000
lives in an apartment that's connected

2003
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:43,199
to the hangar

2004
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,719
and he looks down in there and he sees

2005
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:48,239
these little figures walking around in

2006
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,199
there

2007
01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:51,360
and scares the hell out of him

2008
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,100
I mean why would it scare him I mean

2009
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,440
he's he's invited it right you would

2010
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:58,080
think but he in case he gets himself a

2011
01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:59,580
shotgun

2012
01:24:03,470 --> 01:24:01,560
and uh

2013
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,480
he wakes up the next night and there's

2014
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:05,760
one of them standing in his room and he

2015
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:12,050
um

2016
01:24:17,209 --> 01:24:13,440
into

2017
01:24:19,550 --> 01:24:17,219
this yellow goo that promptly disappears

2018
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:19,560
and I believe that's the story in any

2019
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:20,940
case

2020
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:23,100
he then is haunted

2021
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:27,600
my this thing is now a ghost and it's

2022
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,060
hostile and it's furious at him and It's

2023
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:31,679
haunting him

2024
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:35,120
and he goes mad and dies

2025
01:24:38,450 --> 01:24:37,020
uh

2026
01:24:41,169 --> 01:24:38,460
now

2027
01:24:44,209 --> 01:24:41,179
am I telling you a story about something

2028
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:44,219
that lives comfortably in two levels of

2029
01:24:48,410 --> 01:24:46,440
reality at the same time

2030
01:24:50,090 --> 01:24:48,420
one of which we are familiar with and

2031
01:24:51,890 --> 01:24:50,100
one of which we are not

2032
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,900
and he

2033
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:54,080
he accidentally

2034
01:25:01,610 --> 01:24:58,560
basically blew out its body it leaving

2035
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:01,620
only its non-physical portion and maybe

2036
01:25:05,630 --> 01:25:03,900
maybe in their world you have to pay pay

2037
01:25:07,790 --> 01:25:05,640
a lot of money to have a body like we do

2038
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,800
a car or something and it was pissed off

2039
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:09,600
at him

2040
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:13,140
who knows but you know there's there's

2041
01:25:17,930 --> 01:25:15,420
every reason we would we would think

2042
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:17,940
that story is nonsense

2043
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:19,800
I can only say this

2044
01:25:23,570 --> 01:25:21,960
what if it's not

2045
01:25:26,209 --> 01:25:23,580
if it's not

2046
01:25:29,330 --> 01:25:26,219
then we've got a very very extraordinary

2047
01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:29,340
road to travel over the next few years

2048
01:25:33,709 --> 01:25:31,380
you co-wrote a book with art Bill the

2049
01:25:37,130 --> 01:25:33,719
late Art Bell our our friend yeah

2050
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,140
um warning about cataclysms to come and

2051
01:25:41,149 --> 01:25:38,880
it seemed like that was ahead of its

2052
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,159
time in that global climate change is

2053
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:43,440
here I I wonder you know we've we've

2054
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,600
heard the visitors wherever they're from

2055
01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:48,480
deliver these alien editorials to to

2056
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,239
people dating back to the 50s maybe long

2057
01:25:55,490 --> 01:25:53,760
ago longer than that take care of your

2058
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,500
planet quit messing around with nuclear

2059
01:25:59,209 --> 01:25:57,600
weapons warnings that we have obviously

2060
01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:59,219
not heated

2061
01:26:03,709 --> 01:26:01,620
um I wonder if they've in essence given

2062
01:26:05,629 --> 01:26:03,719
up on us uh in that regard that they

2063
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:05,639
know that something is coming that is

2064
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:08,340
about to hit the fan uh would they ever

2065
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:11,600
intervene uh in a direct way to help us

2066
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,639
or or have they intervened just by

2067
01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:16,800
trying to tell us to amend our ways is

2068
01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:18,300
that as far as they know

2069
01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:20,100
well I have

2070
01:26:25,010 --> 01:26:22,620
really been back and forth with them

2071
01:26:28,129 --> 01:26:25,020
about this and I I wish I could say that

2072
01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:28,139
I could I've asked them about this I

2073
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,940
should say

2074
01:26:33,169 --> 01:26:31,199
um

2075
01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:33,179
I've asked them

2076
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:35,159
why don't you just

2077
01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:41,149
for five minutes in an incontrovertible

2078
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:42,060
way

2079
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:48,420
International video you know on a on on

2080
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:51,120
you know on a camera crew in front of a

2081
01:26:55,729 --> 01:26:53,460
camera a professional camera crew from a

2082
01:26:57,290 --> 01:26:55,739
big news organization like the BBC or

2083
01:27:00,669 --> 01:26:57,300
CBS or something or they could they

2084
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:02,870
I mean they'll walk into the Super Bowl

2085
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:04,679
there's a million things they could do

2086
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:05,940
easily

2087
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:07,980
and because the second they did that

2088
01:27:12,490 --> 01:27:10,020
then that message that has been left

2089
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:12,500
among the close encounter Witnesses

2090
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:16,080
would be Amplified instantly and those

2091
01:27:19,129 --> 01:27:17,520
people would all come forward saying

2092
01:27:22,370 --> 01:27:19,139
this is why they're here

2093
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,380
and it would be it would Empower them

2094
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:24,420
but they don't do it

2095
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:28,260
and there are I think that it's

2096
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:29,520
basically

2097
01:27:35,090 --> 01:27:33,000
gets back to that Phil Corso statement a

2098
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:35,100
new they said they told him what was on

2099
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:37,860
offer for us from us for us was a new

2100
01:27:43,970 --> 01:27:40,679
world if you can take it the emphasis is

2101
01:27:46,370 --> 01:27:43,980
very differently on the you us we have

2102
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,380
to do this ourselves and if we're not

2103
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:48,000
strong enough I think ultimately they'll

2104
01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:49,320
just go away

2105
01:27:53,930 --> 01:27:51,719
oh you really think they'd just leave or

2106
01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:53,940
something like this okay it seems like

2107
01:27:57,530 --> 01:27:55,500
if this any of this is true there's an

2108
01:27:59,570 --> 01:27:57,540
investment and first of all don't give a

2109
01:28:02,030 --> 01:27:59,580
mine number second of all there seems to

2110
01:28:04,729 --> 01:28:02,040
be an investment right if this is really

2111
01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:04,739
happening this is a long-term thing now

2112
01:28:09,770 --> 01:28:07,800
if they would if you know I I wish I

2113
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:09,780
could tell you that

2114
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,080
if there's a nuclear exchange or

2115
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:15,120
something like that they will act

2116
01:28:21,229 --> 01:28:18,960
or if there is uh if we begin to die in

2117
01:28:24,649 --> 01:28:21,239
Mass numbers because of the fact that

2118
01:28:27,229 --> 01:28:24,659
the planet has failed they will come

2119
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,239
I don't know that that is going to

2120
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:30,000
happen I think that they have a lot of

2121
01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:32,760
ways perhaps of

2122
01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:37,500
uh affecting the planets environment

2123
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:41,340
and maybe even ways of of affecting our

2124
01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:44,340
our ability to use nuclear weapons

2125
01:28:48,530 --> 01:28:47,460
but the degreed of which they will act I

2126
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:48,540
just

2127
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:52,560
can't be sure I you know if they

2128
01:28:58,189 --> 01:28:55,980
if if they have to

2129
01:29:01,729 --> 01:28:58,199
uh

2130
01:29:04,010 --> 01:29:01,739
if they have to con control us what are

2131
01:29:06,350 --> 01:29:04,020
we worth to them I don't know the answer

2132
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:06,360
to that question maybe not not enough to

2133
01:29:10,610 --> 01:29:08,760
justify the effort it would be because

2134
01:29:12,110 --> 01:29:10,620
ultimately would be an effort in the

2135
01:29:15,709 --> 01:29:12,120
physical world they would have to do

2136
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,719
something physical to force us to to

2137
01:29:19,970 --> 01:29:17,520
come to heal and you know if we were

2138
01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:19,980
going to get into a nuclear conflict or

2139
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:23,219
uh they they or they might I think if

2140
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:24,960
they were going to force us to do

2141
01:29:28,850 --> 01:29:26,760
something to save this planet they would

2142
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:28,860
have done that already do they consider

2143
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:30,239
this to be home

2144
01:29:32,930 --> 01:29:31,440
um you know they've interacted with

2145
01:29:35,149 --> 01:29:32,940
humans as long as we've been here

2146
01:29:37,010 --> 01:29:35,159
they've been around a long time yeah

2147
01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:37,020
maybe they live here in some other

2148
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,239
dimension or something like but did they

2149
01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:41,280
have any sense that they've conveyed to

2150
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:42,840
you that they consider this to be their

2151
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:50,570
I I can't say yes or no I I don't recall

2152
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,480
anything except this uh they came up out

2153
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:56,639
of the ground in our cabin a lot and you

2154
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,380
know we knew that is because they would

2155
01:30:03,050 --> 01:30:00,480
smell like the forest floor which is

2156
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:03,060
very pungent and they would smell like

2157
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:04,320
something and it just come out of the

2158
01:30:08,090 --> 01:30:05,219
ground

2159
01:30:09,950 --> 01:30:08,100
and uh not always but some of them

2160
01:30:10,669 --> 01:30:09,960
certainly did

2161
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:10,679
um

2162
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:12,420
you know there's this thing going on in

2163
01:30:15,950 --> 01:30:13,679
Peru

2164
01:30:19,010 --> 01:30:15,960
weird business

2165
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,020
where they are finding these mummies

2166
01:30:25,610 --> 01:30:22,560
that are so far not adding up they're

2167
01:30:29,570 --> 01:30:25,620
not hoaxes and they're not people

2168
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:29,580
and there is it's it's a story that is

2169
01:30:33,129 --> 01:30:31,500
either going to go away or break it's

2170
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:33,139
hard to know which is going to happen

2171
01:30:39,470 --> 01:30:36,360
but they've got over a hundred of them

2172
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:39,480
now and they're problems with it because

2173
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:42,000
they they come from a man who is

2174
01:30:46,669 --> 01:30:44,400
secretive about where they come from and

2175
01:30:49,550 --> 01:30:46,679
he's trying to sell them and it makes it

2176
01:30:52,129 --> 01:30:49,560
look like a hoax and yet there's so many

2177
01:30:55,250 --> 01:30:52,139
of them that and and there's been some

2178
01:30:58,430 --> 01:30:55,260
fairly significant work done on them um

2179
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:58,440
MRI scans and things that one of them

2180
01:31:04,209 --> 01:31:00,239
shows for example

2181
01:31:06,709 --> 01:31:04,219
uh in its eggs in its uterus

2182
01:31:09,050 --> 01:31:06,719
and you know I don't think that any

2183
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,060
hoaxer is going to come up with that

2184
01:31:14,990 --> 01:31:12,480
and uh so what I'm saying here is this

2185
01:31:18,530 --> 01:31:15,000
could be something to do with Earth it

2186
01:31:22,030 --> 01:31:18,540
could be an Earthly species that we just

2187
01:31:25,129 --> 01:31:22,040
have not that has been very careful to

2188
01:31:27,470 --> 01:31:25,139
avoid contact with us because they live

2189
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:27,480
underground you know the Navajo the uh

2190
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:29,940
the Hobie uh other Native American

2191
01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:31,920
tribes all believe that they came their

2192
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:33,780
ancestors came out of the ground or

2193
01:31:39,229 --> 01:31:36,840
underground into this world Apaches do

2194
01:31:42,350 --> 01:31:39,239
too uh the same thing that they came out

2195
01:31:44,990 --> 01:31:42,360
of the Archuleta Mesa which is a place

2196
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,000
where there's a lot of UFO legends about

2197
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:47,400
that Mesa in fact

2198
01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:48,480
um

2199
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:50,940
so it could be that they are from here

2200
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:53,699
there even could be physically from here

2201
01:31:57,530 --> 01:31:55,800
I don't know if you you don't own the

2202
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:57,540
cabin anymore or whether you keep up

2203
01:32:02,450 --> 01:31:59,340
with what goes on there but I wonder if

2204
01:32:05,149 --> 01:32:02,460
the activity continues or that it it

2205
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,159
happened because you were there

2206
01:32:11,450 --> 01:32:07,920
uh I know the answer to that question

2207
01:32:13,370 --> 01:32:11,460
it happened because I was there and I do

2208
01:32:15,229 --> 01:32:13,380
know the couple who owns the cabin now

2209
01:32:17,390 --> 01:32:15,239
and they're extremely sweet people in

2210
01:32:18,189 --> 01:32:17,400
the cabin is in good hands I'm happy to

2211
01:32:21,890 --> 01:32:18,199
say

2212
01:32:24,649 --> 01:32:21,900
and I went there uh for a documentary

2213
01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:24,659
for um the Travel Channel

2214
01:32:31,790 --> 01:32:30,060
uh and that was shown about a year ago I

2215
01:32:33,550 --> 01:32:31,800
believe six months ago

2216
01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:33,560
and um

2217
01:32:38,810 --> 01:32:37,560
I uh I went back to the cabin fine I

2218
01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:38,820
thought I would never go back to the

2219
01:32:43,610 --> 01:32:41,340
cabin and I finally did it was a very

2220
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:43,620
moving experience and I found that they

2221
01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:46,800
had kept the stone circle and they were

2222
01:32:51,050 --> 01:32:49,380
very into my work and they had a little

2223
01:32:53,090 --> 01:32:51,060
room in the basement the Whitley room

2224
01:32:55,729 --> 01:32:53,100
with all kinds of things in it it was

2225
01:32:58,189 --> 01:32:55,739
very cool and they're an extremely nice

2226
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:58,199
couple and I'm going back there I'm

2227
01:33:02,050 --> 01:32:59,760
going to be back there in August for a

2228
01:33:04,570 --> 01:33:02,060
week all by myself

2229
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:04,580
and want some company

2230
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,840
well I don't know there's a lot of

2231
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:08,400
people have had visitor experiences

2232
01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:10,380
because they were near me and uh yeah I

2233
01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:11,820
wanted to ask you about that is so if if

2234
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:13,560
this is you know happening to certain

2235
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,540
people and not to others it's not the

2236
01:33:19,970 --> 01:33:17,040
most common story you hear every day

2237
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,980
right so if it is that it's somehow

2238
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:22,080
connected to certain people wanted to

2239
01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:23,580
ask you that have other people had their

2240
01:33:27,470 --> 01:33:25,739
first sighting of a UFO or something

2241
01:33:30,110 --> 01:33:27,480
like that or these other stranger

2242
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:30,120
experiences in my mind stranger because

2243
01:33:33,709 --> 01:33:31,679
they're with you hasn't happened a lot

2244
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:33,719
it's happened a fair amount yeah yeah

2245
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:35,940
and it happened up at The esselen

2246
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,400
Institute a number of times that people

2247
01:33:42,830 --> 01:33:40,320
you know they they figured out put me in

2248
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,840
this and they have these conferences

2249
01:33:47,090 --> 01:33:44,880
there these private conferences and I

2250
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:47,100
would be occasionally invited to one I

2251
01:33:51,530 --> 01:33:48,960
was I just you were at that conference

2252
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:51,540
yeah that was not one in which anyone

2253
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:54,480
was in the room with me but uh at other

2254
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:56,400
times when the I'm there's a particular

2255
01:34:02,930 --> 01:33:59,760
room that overlooks the Pacific and it's

2256
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:02,940
a very easy coming and going and once

2257
01:34:09,229 --> 01:34:06,480
Jeff uh the author uh in the and

2258
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:09,239
the uh one of the leading guys at

2259
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,020
esselen was there in the room and he had

2260
01:34:17,870 --> 01:34:16,320
an experience uh with me in the room and

2261
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:17,880
I think there might have been someone

2262
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:20,400
else uh because when the visitors come

2263
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:22,080
to me and they they were coming to me to

2264
01:34:24,890 --> 01:34:23,280
wake me up at three o'clock in the

2265
01:34:27,530 --> 01:34:24,900
morning every single night at that time

2266
01:34:30,110 --> 01:34:27,540
they're not doing that now that I get up

2267
01:34:32,090 --> 01:34:30,120
anyway but uh so rude why are they

2268
01:34:36,169 --> 01:34:32,100
waking you up I can explain that very

2269
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:36,179
clearly but uh if you want me to the the

2270
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:37,620
reason is that

2271
01:34:42,410 --> 01:34:40,320
I wondered that myself when it started

2272
01:34:45,229 --> 01:34:42,420
to happen after Annie passed away

2273
01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:45,239
and it happened briefly at the cabin and

2274
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:47,820
back in the late 90s just before we lost

2275
01:34:52,610 --> 01:34:50,159
it but then after Annie passed away it

2276
01:34:55,790 --> 01:34:52,620
started to happen constantly and you

2277
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:55,800
know and I thought you know I'm I really

2278
01:35:01,790 --> 01:34:59,040
would like to get a nice night's sleep

2279
01:35:04,129 --> 01:35:01,800
but then I discovered something that

2280
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,139
there is a tradition in a yoga yoga

2281
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,199
practice in India called Brahma muhartha

2282
01:35:12,590 --> 01:35:10,320
time and that is the time of hour and a

2283
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:12,600
half approximately Before Sunrise

2284
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:16,320
when uh the mind is most open to new

2285
01:35:20,209 --> 01:35:17,940
things

2286
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:20,219
and they were waking me up to get me to

2287
01:35:25,970 --> 01:35:23,040
go into a meditative state to take my

2288
01:35:28,610 --> 01:35:25,980
mind off of my thoughts and put it onto

2289
01:35:29,689 --> 01:35:28,620
the sensation of the body and I found

2290
01:35:33,169 --> 01:35:29,699
that

2291
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:33,179
an absolute wealth of stuff would come

2292
01:35:41,709 --> 01:35:38,400
that way I wrote afterlife Revolution a

2293
01:35:46,729 --> 01:35:41,719
new world Jesus a new vision and them

2294
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:46,739
all using this time period as my source

2295
01:35:50,169 --> 01:35:48,239
of inspiration

2296
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:50,179
and uh

2297
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,600
so that's why the 3am call comes so that

2298
01:35:59,390 --> 01:35:56,880
their how in your mind it's like they're

2299
01:36:01,070 --> 01:35:59,400
helping you to get this information out

2300
01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:01,080
yeah I think so

2301
01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:03,900
it's not downloads exactly at all I mean

2302
01:36:09,129 --> 01:36:06,780
I'm not like a psychic or a Channeler in

2303
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:09,139
any way

2304
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,480
but I get good ideas and they come at

2305
01:36:16,430 --> 01:36:14,400
that time

2306
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:16,440
I think my life would be complete if

2307
01:36:21,229 --> 01:36:18,420
Christopher Walken played me in a movie

2308
01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:21,239
as he did played Whitley in the movie

2309
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:23,400
communion you had problems with that

2310
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:24,320
movie

2311
01:36:29,390 --> 01:36:27,540
ran out of money and their special

2312
01:36:32,330 --> 01:36:29,400
effects are very primitive

2313
01:36:34,850 --> 01:36:32,340
uh I think that Chris is

2314
01:36:38,050 --> 01:36:34,860
trailed me is

2315
01:36:39,420 --> 01:36:38,060
rather annoying but not entirely untrue

2316
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:39,430
it was awesome

2317
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,020
[Laughter]

2318
01:36:48,350 --> 01:36:45,840
uh no I'm a I'm a very jokey kind of guy

2319
01:36:51,410 --> 01:36:48,360
I mean you know I'm not a I'm not a

2320
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,420
solemn I'm not solemn at all

2321
01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:54,000
I try to be solemn I you know I'm I've

2322
01:36:57,410 --> 01:36:55,800
got all this spiritual stuff going on in

2323
01:36:59,390 --> 01:36:57,420
my life and I'm you know I want to be

2324
01:37:01,129 --> 01:36:59,400
you know

2325
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:01,139
solemn

2326
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:06,719
around man I really I really appreciate

2327
01:37:10,129 --> 01:37:08,340
kind of getting to hear directly from

2328
01:37:12,770 --> 01:37:10,139
you you know I know about you George

2329
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:12,780
knows you but just seeing the way that

2330
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:16,800
your uh kind of presence has influenced

2331
01:37:21,290 --> 01:37:18,960
so many people and and so much of

2332
01:37:23,149 --> 01:37:21,300
popular culture and our understanding or

2333
01:37:25,310 --> 01:37:23,159
misunderstanding of this topic we don't

2334
01:37:27,229 --> 01:37:25,320
know you're telling us we don't know but

2335
01:37:29,209 --> 01:37:27,239
the fact you've had that influence

2336
01:37:30,830 --> 01:37:29,219
um man it's a it is a real pleasure to

2337
01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:30,840
be able to hang out with you I really

2338
01:37:34,729 --> 01:37:32,940
appreciate it yeah and I'm glad I I

2339
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:34,739
wanted your pleasure to hang out with me

2340
01:37:37,610 --> 01:37:36,000
because I like to hang out I'm pretty

2341
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,620
I'm pretty fun too we're going to have a

2342
01:37:42,649 --> 01:37:39,360
couple beers tonight it'll be good um

2343
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:42,659
them so tell our audience one last time

2344
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,360
about what's in here that they would not

2345
01:37:50,209 --> 01:37:47,040
have known say from you reading

2346
01:37:54,169 --> 01:37:50,219
communion or the other books okay uh

2347
01:37:56,930 --> 01:37:54,179
well first the first half of the book is

2348
01:37:59,689 --> 01:37:56,940
an analysis of 11 different experiences

2349
01:38:02,450 --> 01:37:59,699
that are from other people some of them

2350
01:38:04,189 --> 01:38:02,460
are uh from the communion letters and

2351
01:38:07,970 --> 01:38:04,199
some of them were new

2352
01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:07,980
and but the difference between the this

2353
01:38:14,750 --> 01:38:10,159
book and everything that's gone before

2354
01:38:17,689 --> 01:38:14,760
is I have a really at this point maybe

2355
01:38:20,750 --> 01:38:17,699
the deepest understanding there is of

2356
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:20,760
this subject and it is reflected in the

2357
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,000
analysis of those stories and there's

2358
01:38:29,810 --> 01:38:26,400
nothing like it in the world nothing has

2359
01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:29,820
ever been done like that uh and maybe

2360
01:38:33,649 --> 01:38:32,760
the 3 A.M part of it had a lot to do

2361
01:38:37,970 --> 01:38:33,659
with that

2362
01:38:42,530 --> 01:38:37,980
the second half of the book is delving

2363
01:38:44,570 --> 01:38:42,540
into the Secret side of it into why the

2364
01:38:46,129 --> 01:38:44,580
military ended up shooting at the

2365
01:38:49,209 --> 01:38:46,139
position we didn't talk about this but

2366
01:38:53,030 --> 01:38:49,219
the other thing they did besides

2367
01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:53,040
showing up at places where it requiring

2368
01:38:59,390 --> 01:38:57,120
absolute secrecy the other thing that

2369
01:39:02,030 --> 01:38:59,400
they did was that they provoked the

2370
01:39:05,390 --> 01:39:02,040
military by continually going into

2371
01:39:06,649 --> 01:39:05,400
restricted airspace and ignoring them to

2372
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:06,659
the point that they would start to put

2373
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:10,800
up combat air patrols and I go into all

2374
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:13,679
of that then I go into

2375
01:39:21,290 --> 01:39:17,600
the brain and how the brain functions

2376
01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:21,300
and how it and how how different brains

2377
01:39:24,770 --> 01:39:23,100
function for example

2378
01:39:31,370 --> 01:39:24,780
uh

2379
01:39:33,470 --> 01:39:31,380
we we live on the same planet we know

2380
01:39:35,209 --> 01:39:33,480
everything there is to know about the

2381
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:35,219
anatomy of the dolphin

2382
01:39:40,430 --> 01:39:38,639
we don't know a really a thing about

2383
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:40,440
what they're saying to each other in

2384
01:39:45,890 --> 01:39:43,440
those marvelous Communications that all

2385
01:39:48,770 --> 01:39:45,900
the citations make we don't know

2386
01:39:52,189 --> 01:39:48,780
anything about that at all we can get

2387
01:39:55,310 --> 01:39:52,199
them to we can train them to do things

2388
01:39:58,970 --> 01:39:55,320
for us in our context

2389
01:40:03,050 --> 01:39:58,980
we cannot understand

2390
01:40:06,290 --> 01:40:03,060
anything about their mind

2391
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,300
now you you add to that

2392
01:40:12,110 --> 01:40:08,880
Evolution on in a different planetary

2393
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,120
environment perhaps with a brain that is

2394
01:40:17,629 --> 01:40:14,159
fundamentally differently structured

2395
01:40:20,110 --> 01:40:17,639
from every brain on this planet

2396
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:20,120
and you're going to have a fantastic

2397
01:40:25,070 --> 01:40:22,320
Communications issue

2398
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:25,080
and how to get around that and how to

2399
01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:28,020
work with that is a big part also of the

2400
01:40:32,030 --> 01:40:29,639
second part of the book

2401
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,040
yeah it does sort of look it looks

2402
01:40:36,770 --> 01:40:34,320
Through The Eyes of aliens visitors at

2403
01:40:39,110 --> 01:40:36,780
us yeah exactly because I can do that

2404
01:40:41,629 --> 01:40:39,120
now I've done I've been doing this for a

2405
01:40:43,490 --> 01:40:41,639
long time and I have really have in I

2406
01:40:46,490 --> 01:40:43,500
actually am in contact with them it's

2407
01:40:49,129 --> 01:40:46,500
real it's real and it's efficient and

2408
01:40:51,110 --> 01:40:49,139
I'm not a fan assist I don't have a

2409
01:40:53,689 --> 01:40:51,120
beautiful alien mistress or anything

2410
01:40:57,169 --> 01:40:53,699
like that I'm doing this

2411
01:41:01,129 --> 01:40:57,179
as accurately and as much in the context

2412
01:41:03,770 --> 01:41:01,139
of Western thought as is possible

2413
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:03,780
well we need to understand them

2414
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,540
um whether they display themselves in

2415
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:08,880
some Mass way or not we we need to

2416
01:41:11,810 --> 01:41:10,560
understand that we need to heed what

2417
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:11,820
they've been telling us for a long time

2418
01:41:16,430 --> 01:41:14,400
too yeah and we do we need to understand

2419
01:41:18,169 --> 01:41:16,440
also that we can do this

2420
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:18,179
they would not be here if we can't

2421
01:41:21,229 --> 01:41:19,920
couldn't do this I've I've known them

2422
01:41:23,330 --> 01:41:21,239
long enough to know that they're the

2423
01:41:25,550 --> 01:41:23,340
cheapest bastards in the world they're

2424
01:41:28,729 --> 01:41:25,560
not gonna they're not gonna spend a

2425
01:41:31,310 --> 01:41:28,739
second on anyone that they can't get the

2426
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,320
result they they are looking for from no

2427
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:33,360
way and they are here

2428
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:35,820
so therefore they do expect to succeed

2429
01:41:40,490 --> 01:41:38,520
you would not consider them your friends

2430
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:40,500
I wouldn't consider them my friends I'm

2431
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:42,600
not sentimental about them at all

2432
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,600
I would consider them a very useful

2433
01:41:51,229 --> 01:41:47,520
presence in my life and I'm glad they're

2434
01:41:52,970 --> 01:41:51,239
here but uh I definitely every anytime I

2435
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:52,980
get a chance I'm going to cut the cards

2436
01:41:57,050 --> 01:41:54,480
myself

2437
01:41:58,910 --> 01:41:57,060
I hope people will check out them and

2438
01:42:00,530 --> 01:41:58,920
it's a great new book Whitley it's great

2439
01:42:02,169 --> 01:42:00,540
to see you thank you it's good to be

2440
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:02,179
here thanks for sharing your time man

2441
01:42:09,900 --> 01:42:16,430
[Music]

2442
01:42:24,770 --> 01:42:20,750
never have so few had so much to tell

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